.RYEE'S.TheConArtist

[NickBreaker]

3 hours ago, lakerfan32 said:

You’re a little sensitive there bud! Made a little joke reply on twitter and you blocked me. I’ve always been a fan of your work but you’re kinda turning me off to your content as of late. 

If you're the guy that made the comment about paying for the updated attire, then it wasn't funny. I know you've been a great member here for years, but this creator has put up with a lot of personal attacks over the Christmas period without anyone really understanding how commissions work......If he's not getting hounded by requests, he's getting attacked for charging for his skill and his time.

Hopefully the numpties on Reddit understand a bit more about the process (as I understand it) and how freelancers/commission artists work after I commented and answered some questions. There was never any need to attack him and I believe basically everyone who did got the wrong end of the stick and jumped to conclusions.  

Edited December 28, 2018 by NickBreaker

[lakerfan32]

Then I think we have 2 completely different ideas of what the difference is between donating to a caw maker because of their time and outright selling a caw. I would have zero problem with donating to him, you or any of the other top guys who have done this for years, but when you have a post from him clearing stating “this is for paid users only” then that is simply selling caws. 

It’s whatever, but this wasnever what the caw community was about. I never saw the “NCO” charge people for creations. I was under the assumption that you were a bunch of skilled creators who came together make things for the benefit of the community. Also, whether you found it funny or not, is was a damn joke. I have no interest in starting beef over a freaking video game, I just wanted to throw that in since you decided to block me over that comment as well. 

I just think at the end of the day this is starting down a road that will turn a lot of people off to certain creators and content. If I’m wrong and people want to pay for caws then so be it, just don’t be surprised when there’s backlash. 

[skeletonrook]

He has a list of people who he shares on cc and if you want a caw that isn't on that list he'll make it for a price. It's up to you if you want to pay for a caw. What is wrong with that? It's a choice.

[lakerfan32]

I understand that 100%. What stops it from being all paid content? What happens when creators won’t upload anything until they get a certain dollar amount? I know this is the point where people will say “it’s your choice to buy it or not” and I get that also. 

I am just saying there are a lot of equally good creators who put out caws because they want to share with the community. I realize I will be in the minority here because either A. People are willing to spend money on these or B. People won’t say anything for fear that these creators will stop uploading content altogether. 

[BHANGRA MAN]

Guys move on. Attacking Ryeedee for no reason again lakerfan32. I am with Nick here. Attacking ryeedee who uploads enough to the community should be no issue in whatever else he does. I hope the mods clean up the topic again. Doing my best to get ryeedee to carry on but there you again lakerfan32

[lakerfan32]

Clean up the topic by all means. If you call this an attack then you are the king of over-reactions there. Just making statements, asking questions about how the future of this will continue to work. 

Before this gets cleaned up, please let me clarify that I am a huge fan of all of your work, but Jesus Christ if you’re  not some sensitive mother f***ers over people who could take exception with this. I know the creators will stick together in this topic but how can you not take a step back for 2 seconds and see that we are getting into a very gray area?

 

[cdiebold1]

Just my 2 cents ... I think if you want to pay for something, that's on you -- however, if what Laker said “this is for paid users only” is true and they aren't just specific creations but a whole set of guys that only donors get access to, that's kinda fucked. Either way, stop fighting in these threads. Take it to PMs.

Edited December 28, 2018 by cdiebold1

[DrJoeyMagnum]

lakerfan isn't attacking anyone, no clean up is necessary as it's been civil  

[SideEffect34]

Love Ryee's CAWs and always look forward to the new ones.

 

I don't think anyone really has or should have a problem if he accepts payment for personal CAWs such as of the users themselves or of non wrestlers. But when people see private, pay only CAWs of wrestlers such as Wade Barrett, that's when people are getting upset thinking he will start charging for more future CAWs and possibly becoming a trend while wondering why it shouldn't be available for everyone. So, if he continues accepting payments for wrestler CAWs, so be it, but he probably shouldn't showcase them to make everyone else feel left out.

Edited December 28, 2018 by SideEffect34

[lakerfan32]

I’ve talked to Nick in DMs. We are all good and had some misunderstandings on some of this. Feel free to clean this up if need be. I am in no way trying to personally attack Ryee, and for what it’s worth it was a poorly timed joke because I hadn’t seen the comments on reddit at that point, I had seen things on another site. 

So if you happen to read this Ryee, I will say I apologize for what I thought was funny at the time without knowing you were being attacked so personally. I still don’t fully agree with every aspect but that’s really none of my business I suppose. I’m not going to bring it up again. I really didn’t mean for this to get so off topic, I initially was just trying to send a quick message to Ryee since he blocked me on twitter earlier. 

[the King Lives]

5 hours ago, NickBreaker said:

If you're the guy that made the comment about paying for the updated attire, then it wasn't funny. I know you've been a great member here for years, but this creator has put up with a lot of personal attacks over the Christmas period without anyone really understanding how commissions work......If he's not getting hounded by requests, he's getting attacked for charging for his skill and his time.

Hopefully the numpties on Reddit understand a bit more about the process (as I understand it) and how freelancers/commission artists work after I commented and answered some questions. There was never any need to attack him and I believe basically everyone who did got the wrong end of the stick and jumped to conclusions.  

okay i usually don't follow caw drama especially since i've been slingin it out with spiderman for the last few months but someone asked me about this situation.  If someone is selling caws i don't care if it is because of requests, that's pretty low.  I can understand having a donation link on your profile, banner or whatever but this is about as bad as the people that used to do this thing on Craigs list and ebay a few years ago.  Not condoning it or arguing about it. i'm just providing my thoughts and i'll leave it at that.

4 hours ago, skeletonrook said:

He has a list of people who he shares on cc and if you want a caw that isn't on that list he'll make it for a price. It's up to you if you want to pay for a caw. What is wrong with that? It's a choice.

there's plenty wrong with that.  So now on top of paying 64$ for a game, 30$ or whatever for a season pass or paying nearly 100 bucks for said game, now you want to charge (from what i've been reading, 25 bucks a pop) yeah there's plenty wrong with this and you people are doing nothing but giving 2k ideas to start selling game models individually.  You already see people complaining because A, B, C, D, and E aren't in the game because of whatever reason.  now if they decide to add them in a pack next year would you actually be fine paying 25$ for Ciampa, 30$ for Murphy, 15$ for Cross and 13$ for Kendrick?  I definitely don't think you would.  You people really need to look at the bigger picture.  I'm just glad i don't give 2 cents about the main roster, nxt, njpw, the indie scene or TNA cause i'm seeing where this is going.  It's just going to make this series that much worse.

Take care guys

and i hope you all have a happy new year

[1roejoe]

I already had 2k19 on PC, but I bought it again on PS4 because of the high quality CAW community. Being said, and I did not read all of the previous posts, but if Ryee had a patreon, I'd throw money at it lol. Your work adds value to my gaming experience. For now, I'll just donate. Thanks again for these!

[cdiebold1]

Discussion is circular in that donations vs fees are going to always be a very polarizing subject. 

[the King Lives]

Just now, cdiebold1 said:

Discussion is circular in that donations vs fees are going to always be a very polarizing subject. 

yeah i'm just more concerned for what 2k would do if they see something like this.  you know how they react when smacktalks posts an unfixed glitch that betters the game (face logo glitch on in game models, custom arenas for rumbles, removing sting's facepaint just to name a few) they immediately fix that stuff in the new game and never look back.  as i posted earlier, i can really see them trying to charge 25$ just for a ciampa model, 30$ for his entrance, 10$ for an updated finisher. etc. 

[Endo]

44 minutes ago, the King Lives said:

there's plenty wrong with that.  So now on top of paying 64$ for a game, 30$ or whatever for a season pass or paying nearly 100 bucks for said game, now you want to charge (from what i've been reading, 25 bucks a pop) yeah there's plenty wrong with this and you people are doing nothing but giving 2k ideas to start selling game models individually.  You already see people complaining because A, B, C, D, and E aren't in the game because of whatever reason.  now if they decide to add them in a pack next year would you actually be fine paying 25$ for Ciampa, 30$ for Murphy, 15$ for Cross and 13$ for Kendrick?  I definitely don't think you would.  You people really need to look at the bigger picture.  I'm just glad i don't give 2 cents about the main roster, nxt, njpw, the indie scene or TNA cause i'm seeing where this is going.  It's just going to make this series that much worse.

Take care guys

and i hope you all have a happy new year

Smh first of all what does 2k have anything to do with ryee doing personal request? 2k wouldn't charge that much for a dlc character it would be a horrible business move. Second, ryee is doing personal request look at his Instagram its mainly people wanting personal characters or other celebrities. The only person he made that got this whole stupid talk started was wade Barrett and he never said he wasn't going to upload it. And third look at how much content he's already uploaded for free!!!! He's been busting his ass for us this year and all I see is people bitching and asking for shit! He's gonna end up stop uploading like Ligerr did, then everybody is gonna be pissed he's gone.

[Ashhole]

2 hours ago, the King Lives said:

okay i usually don't follow caw drama especially since i've been slingin it out with spiderman for the last few months but someone asked me about this situation.  If someone is selling caws i don't care if it is because of requests, that's pretty low.  I can understand having a donation link on your profile, banner or whatever but this is about as bad as the people that used to do this thing on Craigs list and ebay a few years ago.  Not condoning it or arguing about it. i'm just providing my thoughts and i'll leave it at that.

there's plenty wrong with that.  So now on top of paying 64$ for a game, 30$ or whatever for a season pass or paying nearly 100 bucks for said game, now you want to charge (from what i've been reading, 25 bucks a pop) yeah there's plenty wrong with this and you people are doing nothing but giving 2k ideas to start selling game models individually.  You already see people complaining because A, B, C, D, and E aren't in the game because of whatever reason.  now if they decide to add them in a pack next year would you actually be fine paying 25$ for Ciampa, 30$ for Murphy, 15$ for Cross and 13$ for Kendrick?  I definitely don't think you would.  You people really need to look at the bigger picture.  I'm just glad i don't give 2 cents about the main roster, nxt, njpw, the indie scene or TNA cause i'm seeing where this is going.  It's just going to make this series that much worse.

Take care guys

and i hope you all have a happy new year

 

Here me out here. 

I can assure you, this would never lead to individual DLC characters being charged $25/per character. That’s just horrible business economics. Please don’t be susceptible enough to believing in this asinine kind of ideology. These Deluxe Editions and WOO-type of editions will be the norm for a while.

Where is the simple consideration of the fact that time equals money nowadays. Creators are essentially private contractors and should have every right to charge for their services, especially if you’re asking them to cater to you and create something that you personally request. They aren’t charging for the plethora of free content that they already provide to the community.

Are we failing to realize the countless number of hours that are basically volunteered to create some of these magnificent almost in-game like models that are, again, provided to us for free. Some of these creations are getting downloaded 20,000+ times (so far) and I guarantee you they aren’t receiving 20,000+ donations. I’d be willing to bet it’s nowhere close to that.

The saddest part is, most people will claim that they’d “donate” to these creators and then turn around and not ever donate a single penny while reveling in hundreds, possibly thousands of creations over the years (because some of these guys have been doing this for years, again, mostly for free). 

Again, not trying to attack anyone but some simple consideration for these independent CAW creators’ time is not asking much. Especially when you figure that some of these creations can take hours upon hours to finalize to your specific liking, most of the time with two attires. Have some respect for their time or, not being rude, learn how to create for yourself. This is coming from someone who can’t create anyone for crap in this game and humbly appreciates your time and the honing of your craft RYEEDEE, DEFRACT, BHANGRA, NICKBREAKER, GAZEWEFC, AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS THAT IM FORGETTING.

🤘🏽😄🤙🏽

🖤🖤🖤

Edited December 28, 2018 by Ashhole

[Iron Man]

25 Dollar for 1 caw is really awful and not fair to sell it for money, 1 guy paid the full price while he think hes the only one to get it, and then Ryeedee sell this caw to everyone who want paid him for this special request. 

A real Wrestler to sell for Money is bad and not fair to The Community, we all waiting for an amazing Wade Barrett or Mil Muertes caw on PS4. 

Selling caws or mods is against the rules and illegal. Because 2K have the rights and dont allow people to sell it for money

 

[destrucktor]

If you don't want to pay money for a CAW, then don't; download someone else's that is free. I used to charge people to do CAWs of their own face and then upload it onto CC for them so they could add an attire and use it. I made a load of money from doing it - why not charge for a skill? Ryee is clearly incredibly good, so why not? 

Essentially it comes down to people being frustrated that they can no longer have the best thing for free and not respecting the time that goes into it. Everyone that says it's unfair is ignorant and entitled. 

Where else in the world do you get the absolute best for free? You don't. Why should Ryee's CAWs be any different? 

[ChicagoMade89]

Wade Barrett is actually uploaded on CC now

[Iron Man]

Nice surprise with Wade Barrett beeing upload to cc, hopefully @Ryee.theConArtist can bring also Mil Muertes to cc Please

 

[the King Lives]

4 hours ago, Ashhole said:

 

Here me out here. 

I can assure you, this would never lead to individual DLC characters being charged $25/per character. That’s just horrible business economics. Please don’t be susceptible enough to believing in this asinine kind of ideology. These Deluxe Editions and WOO-type of editions will be the norm for a while.

Where is the simple consideration of the fact that time equals money nowadays. Creators are essentially private contractors and should have every right to charge for their services, especially if you’re asking them to cater to you and create something that you personally request. They aren’t charging for the plethora of free content that they already provide to the community.

Are we failing to realize the countless number of hours that are basically volunteered to create some of these magnificent almost in-game like models that are, again, provided to us for free. Some of these creations are getting downloaded 20,000+ times (so far) and I guarantee you they aren’t receiving 20,000+ donations. I’d be willing to bet it’s nowhere close to that.

The saddest part is, most people will claim that they’d “donate” to these creators and then turn around and not ever donate a single penny while reveling in hundreds, possibly thousands of creations over the years (because some of these guys have been doing this for years, again, mostly for free). 

Again, not trying to attack anyone but some simple consideration for these independent CAW creators’ time is not asking much. Especially when you figure that some of these creations can take hours upon hours to finalize to your specific liking, most of the time with two attires. Have some respect for their time or, not being rude, learn how to create for yourself. This is coming from someone who can’t create anyone for crap in this game and humbly appreciates your time and the honing of your craft RYEEDEE, DEFRACT, BHANGRA, NICKBREAKER, GAZEWEFC, AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS THAT IM FORGETTING.

🤘🏽😄🤙🏽

🖤🖤🖤

well that's what we said about Lootboxes.  Look at how they are charging for stuff.. XXX VC for the entrance XXX VC for the victory XXX for this move and that move.  like i said i honestly was just posting my thoughts definitely not attacking anyone.  no they should not just be charging for the sake of charging and no they aren't private contractors.  this is not their job.  and honestly if this was going on in say WWE12 or SVR11 would we honestly be having this conversation? Donations are okay because it's optional. but if you think people are going to start paying creators for content then that's just downright ridiculous.

 

and you forgot Claye Hodge.

5 hours ago, Endo said:

Smh first of all what does 2k have anything to do with ryee doing personal request? 2k wouldn't charge that much for a dlc character it would be a horrible business move. Second, ryee is doing personal request look at his Instagram its mainly people wanting personal characters or other celebrities. The only person he made that got this whole stupid talk started was wade Barrett and he never said he wasn't going to upload it. And third look at how much content he's already uploaded for free!!!! He's been busting his ass for us this year and all I see is people bitching and asking for shit! He's gonna end up stop uploading like Ligerr did, then everybody is gonna be pissed he's gone.

i'm not denying that but considering how the majority of this forum is mostly A) creating current people, B) creating Indie people C) creating current people no longer with the company.  I guess it doesn't matter to me.  what will matter to me is if microtransactions play a part in unlocking people or adding people so said base game next year and onward. but fair enough again i was only making an observation and comment.  I'll return to my regularly scheduled Spiderman Playthroughs now.

[NickBreaker]

Creators create for themselves first. If they create something they don't care about, then that is work and should be paid!

Ryee, and many other creators have donations links. Commissions are very different from donations - Anyone who has ever used a freelancer for their skills and time will know that.

I've been creating WWE games content since 2005 and have done a couple of paid commissions in that time 

Hopefully we can draw a line under this now - Ryee didn't do anything wrong apart from share a pic of a creation on Insta that was a private paid commission. 

All you people saying you would happily donate - here is his link to send him a few bucks for all his hard work - paypal.me/RyeeDee86

[cdiebold1]

I wish the vitriol would be taken down a few notches. People have the right to share their opinion and they can do so without the swearing, name calling, or allusion/implied insult just because they look at it from a different view. It's very possible to take issue with something while concurrently appreciating Rye and every other creator for their work. Some of you guys think in black/white for the sake of forum "likes" and perceived moral high ground. I don't think anyone in this thread has attacked Rye or any other creator, they have simply addressed concerns with specific concepts. 

Edited December 28, 2018 by cdiebold1

[DBMcGee]

Meh, I have no problem with it honestly.  The guy does world class work, I truly feel like most of his CAWs are more realistic than those that are in the game.  Not to mention some people are real assholes when it comes to making requests and harassing these guys about FREE uploads.  If you don't think his CAWs are worth the cash, use CAWs from any of the other amazing creators available.  I have a whole roster of badass CAWs and only a handful are Ryee's.

Ryee, if you're reading this, keep up the good work man.  If you'll PM me a donation link, I'm happy to chip in towards your Omega.  Would love to see your Cody back in action as well, and if I recall you made the best Sabre, Jr. I've ever seen by a long shot.  Having trouble finding a top shelf version of either of those two guys so far.

Hit me up dude, glad to help out.  The game wouldn't be the same without you.

[cdiebold1]

Crow (IIRC) made a good Sabre Jr.