SuperBad Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Just wondering what people think of this and what other peoples are Overrated:Star Wars in general I think 4 out the 7 are good but they never really blow me away or anything Things like Citizen Kane and Casablanca I watched both and the not special to me really The Revenant looks good and is really well shot but the film is a lot of nothing reallyAnd Lord of the Rings again don't really see the fuss and the Hobbit's are just boring Underrated:Brick needs more attention than I think it's gotten it's a really good film and is one of my favourites Minority Report some may say it isn't but really enjoyed the film and I thought it was quite creative Equilibrium is better than the Matrix the gun fighting is better and the story is better, shame no ones really heard of it I think Please write what yours are I'm always interested in this topic Quote
Paroxysm Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Overrated is about any superhero movie they have made in the last decade. I don't even know what the movies are anymore, there is one called "The Incredible Hulk", made in 2008, why on earth does that exist? The original in 2003 is called "Hulk", there is no need for a second. This is just one example of course but jesus christ both DC and Marvel re-make so many movies and all it does is confuse people. The last good Marvel movie was Iron Man (the original, because there probably are about 450 remakes I need to consider), and sure DC had the whole Dark Knight series which was nice, but apart from that, when was the last time they made a good film? The original Batman movies in the 90's? Or all the way down to the 70's for the fucking Superman movies?Fuck superhero movies. All of them. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that really most modern films made by the top dogs like Disney and Pixar are pretty fucking awful, I feel bad for todays children who will look back on their childhood in a few years and remember this filth.For underrated movies I'd say Shutter Island, Predestination, Inception, and a lot of the indie horror films are really good. Big fan of the Insidious series, and even Sinister has a great story. Not too big on the huge action films with guns and explosions and the hero saving the day, which is why I dislike most new superhero films as well I guess.I'm not even sure if most movies I mentioned really are underrated, but I think they are. Deserve a lot more attention than they are getting. Quote
Steenalizer Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 @Paroxysm As someone who loves what Marvel is doing with their movies I have to respectfully disagree. That being said, I wish they would stop rebooting Spider-Man. Hopefully they stick with this new actor long-term.Overrated:Any James Bond film.Underrated:Django: Unchained Quote
HiPcavallo Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 The Incredible Hulk exists because it was part of a new continuity with Marvels current cinematic universe. They wanted to go in a different direction with the character and have it directly tie in to an Avengers film so it was necessary to reboot the franchise.How the fuck is Inception underrated? That was one of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful films of 2010. Not to mention every aspect of that film has been analyzed and debated ad nauseam ever since it was released. As much as I love that film, if anything it borders on overrated. If you want to talk underrated Nolan films then try digging a little deeper into his catalog, despite universal critical acclaim Memento went largely unnoticed by the general public and certainly deserves more attention. 1 Quote
Sunny Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 How the fuck is Inception underrated? That was one of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful films of 2010. Not to mention every aspect of that film has been analyzed and debated ad nauseam ever since it was released. As much as I love that film, if anything it borders on overrated. This, for Django Unchained in 2012 also. It was a box-office hit. Quote
Paroxysm Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 The Incredible Hulk exists because it was part of a new continuity with Marvels current cinematic universe. They wanted to go in a different direction with the character and have it directly tie in to an Avengers film so it was necessary to reboot the franchise.How the fuck is Inception underrated? That was one of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful films of 2010. Not to mention every aspect of that film has been analyzed and debated ad nauseam ever since it was released. As much as I love that film, if anything it borders on overrated. If you want to talk underrated Nolan films then try digging a little deeper into his catalog, despite universal critical acclaim Memento went largely unnoticed by the general public and certainly deserves more attention.I know why they made it because they needed to create the new universe, but it really isn't necessary to do a whole film about every single member of a group before making the film about the group. You're not that important. At all. They could have made new characters, no need to specifically re-create one type of universe with characters you have used before. That'd be like WWE just re-doing angles from the 90's with the same gimmicks played by different people because "ayyyy why not amirite"I said some of the movies I mentioned might not be underrated, but it's far from overrated. It's rated exactly where it should be if not a little less than it should be because it is a fucking amazing movie which is why it was as succecful as you said, but not all succecful movies are good either. Quote
fufu ÷ Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Marvel films are just mediocre cash cows pushed out to milk every dollar from its deluded fan base. Not a single Marvel film tops an 8/10. I'd say you could put every one of those into overrated, other than Daredevil - cause that got the deserved shellacking.Carlito's Way is a greatly under-appreciated film, which is probably due to it being a victim of it's own stars. Pacino, Penn and De Palma already have such a great filmography, it often gets missed out in conversations about great films involving those men.THX 1138 is also a little underrated to me. As far as classic sci-fi goes, it doesn't seem to get much recognition for how different it actually was at the time. In its own circles its got a good following, but going wider people think you're talking about the opening credits. Quote
SuperBad Posted August 10, 2016 Author Posted August 10, 2016 Carlito's Way is a greatly under-appreciated film, which is probably due to it being a victim of it's own stars. Pacino, Penn and De Palma already have such a great filmography, it often gets missed out in conversations about great films involving those men.Yeah watched that recently really enjoyed and didn't hear of it before hand Quote
Auday Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Overrated: White Men Can't Hump.Underrated: Shaving Ryan's Privates. Quote
HiPcavallo Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 The Incredible Hulk exists because it was part of a new continuity with Marvels current cinematic universe. They wanted to go in a different direction with the character and have it directly tie in to an Avengers film so it was necessary to reboot the franchise.How the fuck is Inception underrated? That was one of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful films of 2010. Not to mention every aspect of that film has been analyzed and debated ad nauseam ever since it was released. As much as I love that film, if anything it borders on overrated. If you want to talk underrated Nolan films then try digging a little deeper into his catalog, despite universal critical acclaim Memento went largely unnoticed by the general public and certainly deserves more attention.I know why they made it because they needed to create the new universe, but it really isn't necessary to do a whole film about every single member of a group before making the film about the group. You're not that important. At all. They could have made new characters, no need to specifically re-create one type of universe with characters you have used before. That'd be like WWE just re-doing angles from the 90's with the same gimmicks played by different people because "ayyyy why not amirite"I said some of the movies I mentioned might not be underrated, but it's far from overrated. It's rated exactly where it should be if not a little less than it should be because it is a fucking amazing movie which is why it was as succecful as you said, but not all succecful movies are good either.So you don't see a problem trying to establish all those characters, and cram all of those origin stories into a single film? Spiderman 3 was an absolute mess because they spent the vast majority of the film juggling origin stories and left themselves virtually no time for anything else. Yes the Hulk is one character that most people probably knew already but unless you've read the comics most people wouldn't have been very familiar with the others at all. But people were crying out for Marvel to make an Avengers film series for years, and the Hulk is a very beloved character. Had they just casually thrown him into the film without a rebooted origin story it would've been met with both confusion by those thinking this is the version of the character we got in the 2003 film, and incessant bitching and moaning by everyone who was upset he didn't get his own film like the rest of them did. So if nothing else it was necessary to appease his fanbase.Thing is Inception is the kind of movie people remember for the concept, and the technical brilliance that went into making it (fun fact it has fuck all special effects, believe it or not). It is a fucking excellent concept, don't get me wrong on that. But the plot was somewhat lacking in some regards, and characterization was severely lacking (especially compared to earlier Nolan films). I think it speaks volumes that the vast majority of viewers completely missed the point of the ending because they were too busy questioning whether Cobb was really awake or if he was still dreaming, and for all of the over analysis and debate that film has provoked virtually none of it has had anything to do with the actual characters (and even when they do theories like the wedding ring theory were more about trying to confirm where he was at the end of the film than it was about trying to explain Cobb's character). As great a film as it was it has some pretty glaring faults, which I might add are rarely acknowledged or simply outright dismissed by its fanatical fanbase. I've seen it praised as the greatest movie of all time, and seen it hit the top ten in "greatest films of all time" lists, which it quite simply does not deserve and that just screams overrated to me. Comparatively I've also seen it top "most overrated" lists, so there is that. Quote
Aero Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Nice idea for a topic, ruined by bias fairly quickly. Not everyone is going to like certain types of movies, going in the attack on a large group of movies, e.g the current marvel universe or James bond actually suggests 1 of 2 things, you've watched a few, weren't a fan and are now judging them all,or worse still, you've wasted your time watching them all even though you dont like them which makes you a fucking moron!I enjoy most of the marvel movies, granted most of them have been over hyped at least to some degree, but what isnt these days?I'm kind of that disappointed in where this topic has went that im not even going to take a proper part of it Edited August 10, 2016 by Aero 1 Quote
Steenalizer Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 There's always going to be bias when people are giving their opinions. In regards to James Bond, I've only ever seen a few of the flims and found them to be quite boring. I didn't really understand the appeal. Quote
Aero Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Yet your only underated films listed are "any James bind film"? Do you not see the problem there. Surely thats a comment to be thrown in to a discussion about big films that everyone seems to like but you dont?Spectre was overrated, casino royal and skyfall surpassed expectation for me, quantum of solace was complete dog shit, but out of the 4 Daniel Craig films, anyone will tell you its the worst. The rest of them, maybe youre too young? They are old films now, and, especially the brosnan films, some have dated very badly, but at the time, especially the earlier brosnan films, they were excellent! I'll point out here btw, that I'm not exactly a bond fan, ive watched them all now, I'll not go out of my way to watch too many of them again, but your blanket view of how they are all not for you doesn't make them overrated, they just dont interest you, there is a difference! 1 Quote
SuperBad Posted August 11, 2016 Author Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) I want to get this back on track so here are a few more of mineOverrated:That Sicario came out about a year ago evryone was saying it's brutal and realistic but I just found it boring and so did the people I was watching it with it wasn't bad just quite blandThe Matrix the first one that is because all the rest are pretty bad, the first didn't really wow me and I don't see why it became so popular Underrated: Dredd was great Karl Urban really is Judge Dredd he is the only actor who can play him now and if they do something else with Dredd and he's not in it, it will be a real shameAnd the Evil Deads including Army of Darkness they're really under exposed and should be watch by everyone Edited August 11, 2016 by SuperBad Quote
Steenalizer Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Yet your only underated films listed are "any James bind film"? Do you not see the problem there. Surely thats a comment to be thrown in to a discussion about big films that everyone seems to like but you dont?Spectre was overrated, casino royal and skyfall surpassed expectation for me, quantum of solace was complete dog shit, but out of the 4 Daniel Craig films, anyone will tell you its the worst. The rest of them, maybe youre too young? They are old films now, and, especially the brosnan films, some have dated very badly, but at the time, especially the earlier brosnan films, they were excellent! I'll point out here btw, that I'm not exactly a bond fan, ive watched them all now, I'll not go out of my way to watch too many of them again, but your blanket view of how they are all not for you doesn't make them overrated, they just dont interest you, there is a difference! You're taking this a bit too personally for someone who claims to not be a Bond fan. They aren't inherently bad films, they're just not as good as people have hyped them up to be. I know plenty of guys my own age who go crazy over Bond films, so it can't be an age thing.You're right when you say they just don't interest me, but that doesn't mean they're not still overrated. Maybe they aren't to you, but in my own personal experience I find them to be overrated. Quote
HiPcavallo Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Whether Bond films are overrated or not is debatable really. As popular, beloved and iconic as that series is, it does also get shit on relentlessly by its detractors, to the point you could probably just as easily argue that some films are underrated as a result of the stigma surrounding the series rather than the quality of the individual films themselves. I've heard there are some real gems buried in his catalog but I've never cared to check them out because James Bond films simply do not appeal to me. But at the end of the day they aren't meant to be anything more than fun blockbuster films, if you take them too seriously you're never going to enjoy them.I did think that Casino Royale was grossly overrated though, especially at the time of its release. Die Another Day got the shit reception it deserved. Quote
DrJoeyMagnum Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 It's silly generalise a series of movies unless you've actually watch all of them 1 Quote
Steenalizer Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 It's silly generalise a series of movies unless you've actually watch all of themThat's like saying you need to watch all of Eva Marie's matches to know whether or not she's a shit wrestler. Quote
Steenalizer Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Two different things altogether Two different things but both are generalisations about their individual subjects. Quote
DrJoeyMagnum Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Not really, Eva might be a great wrestler in 5 years her career isn't over yet, the Bond series has some of the best movies ever made and of course there are stinkers a series that long (well over 50 years) will have some Quote
HiPcavallo Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Joey's completely right on this one. A change of writers, directors etc.. Can make a world of difference in film/television and turn an otherwise great series shit and vice versa. The James Bond series has gone through countless writer/director changes over the last 50 years, not to mention repeated recasting's. I don't think its a stretch to believe it may have once been an outstanding film series. I didn't particularly care for Casino Royale, and I absolutely hated Die Another Day but that doesn't mean I'd just right off the entire film series based on those two films alone. It'd be like if I was to watch the Joel Schumacher Batman films and right off all Batman films as complete and utter shit because those two were terrible, I think everyone who's watched them would agree that there is a massive difference in quality between Batman & Robin and The Dark Knight or even Tim Burton's Batman.Also must say comparing a film series, especially one as long as the Bond series to Eva Marie's wrestling ability is just an absurd comparison. Films are team efforts, hard to guarantee or maintain consistency when those teams change, you can expect some level of consistency out of the performance of an individual wrestler. Quote
DrJoeyMagnum Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Apparently Tim Burton's Batman share the same universe with Batman & Robin films Quote
HiPcavallo Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Yea Joel Schumacher just took over the series when Tim Burton left, its the same continuity. Originally there were plans for it to go on much longer but the failure that was Batman & Robin thankfully killed the series before anymore damage could be done. Quote
DrJoeyMagnum Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 TBF Batman Forever was alright just one or two goaners Quote
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