WWE Artist Rob Schamberger Reveals Three Additions for WWE 2K17 at E3

[the King Lives]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

[Paroxysm]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

You clearly didn't read what I say, and you thinking since I am new to the forum I have no knowledge about the game itself deems you well, fucking delusional.

You clearly didn't read anything I said, I didn't pull any "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card, whatever the fuck that means.

I purposefully said, Sasha was scanned, meaning they DID TRY to get them in, but was not able to get all 4 in.

If they couldn't get all 4 of them in, they would leave all 4 of them out, even if they had scanned maybe 2 or three of them.

Again, Sasha being scanned does not mean she should have been in the game alone, I literally said the exact fucking opposite.

But what do I know right, I have mere 39 posts as opposed to your 8000+, including stating that you hate lesbians though you are a homosexual yourself, and I'm assuming at least 7000 of the other posts are some sort of hateful rant/spastic man-child tantrum. You are delusional. Neither I, nor anyone else take anything you say seriously.

[HiPcavallo]

Paroxysm please explain to me how you're able to speak coherently with only 40 posts. You shouldn't acquire that skill until you've at least hit the 150 mark.

[the King Lives]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

You clearly didn't read what I say, and you thinking since I am new to the forum I have no knowledge about the game itself deems you well, fucking delusional.

You clearly didn't read anything I said, I didn't pull any "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card, whatever the fuck that means.

I purposefully said, Sasha was scanned, meaning they DID TRY to get them in, but was not able to get all 4 in.

If they couldn't get all 4 of them in, they would leave all 4 of them out, even if they had scanned maybe 2 or three of them.

Again, Sasha being scanned does not mean she should have been in the game alone, I literally said the exact fucking opposite.

But what do I know right, I have mere 39 posts as opposed to your 8000+, including stating that you hate lesbians though you are a homosexual yourself, and I'm assuming at least 7000 of the other posts are some sort of hateful rant/spastic man-child tantrum. You are delusional. Neither I, nor anyone else take anything you say seriously.

FFS And you don't get that none of them were going to be included because Vince/WWE SAID NO. what part of that aren't you understanding. the Vince part or the No part.

the plan was for all 4 to be Day one DLC and vince said no.

and the majority of my posts while not giving a care how many i have or you have have been substantial. they don't just extend to this particular section. i post in the creations section, the WWE section, the Games section. and yes for a time i did go on a few rants but tantrum? i don't think so. you have me confused with the idiots on 2k's forums.

Nice try though.

we'll see what happens. roster cutoff is supposed to be payback which this year that would make it extreme rules.  so maybe shinzuke makes it on disc maybe he doesn't. it all comes down to prioritizing. i get that he is a big name and everything but i get this feeling most want him and the club in just so they can have some sort of NJPW league going on. which i have no problem with that but like i said it all comes down to prioritizing and how much they're actually considering to put on disc this year. will they go past 125? will they go to 200? i'd personally like to see the on disc roster at around 250. that would definitely be enough for current, nxt, women's division (all that matters) and a huge area for legends. but like i said it all has to do what wwe approves/disapproves.

have a nice night.  I'm out

Paroxysm please explain to me how you're able to speak coherently with only 40 posts. You shouldn't acquire that skill until you've at least hit the 150 mark.

you know i didn't mean anything by post count but you know how people come on a forum. think they know everything about a certain thing when they only have like 20 or 30 posts and they know nothing. this all started when i told him the game was based on the year before which it's always been. every game has been a year in a hole. 2k15's was based on 2014. 2k16 was based on 2015 the only thing they normally add extra is probably making sure some of their guys has the current year attire. (like rollins) which was clearly based off of 2015 since they still had him with the blondish/black two toned hair style. but it is what it is

[Auday]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

Jeff shut the fuck up with the "I know a lot about the game" BS. You know fuck all! Are we restarting last year drill again now?  Do you not remember how you turned out to be a filthy liar after all your claims about the game? Who's your source this time? Lmfao. Everytime I try not to be rude to you you act like a retard.

[the King Lives]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

Jeff shut the fuck up with the "I know a lot about the game" BS. You know fuck all! Are we restarting last year drill again now?  Do you not remember how you turned out to be a filthy liar after all your claims about the game? Who's your source this time? Lmfao. Everytime I try not to be rude to you you act like a retard.

actually the only thing i was wrong about was Owen Hart. everything else i was spot on about

 

*No 4HW cause vince said so.. Matadores instead

*No to goldberg and kurt angle cause vince said so

*entire hart foundation in the game (was wrong about owen) he was supposed to be in but i reckon they never got permission.

so i really don't see what the problem is.

my source is all the people that were community managers for WWEGames at one point or another all the way back to SVR11. Cory, marcus, Aaron, Aubrey, B Williams, and even Jared. 

my other sources are the 2K people who have said countless times that these games are based on the previous year and just cause they scan someone does not entirely mean they will be included that year.

they also have said countless times that Vince has final approval and that the roster cut off is Payback (this year would have made it Extreme Rules)

i wasn't trying to be a retard an asshole or anything i was just speaking truth and what i know... If joe was dlc you can best believe that there's a 75% chance Shinzuke will be DLC. the bottom line is i don't really care all about the roster anymore. you can have a perfect roster. it could be a perfect current/nxt roster with no legends and still wouldn't make a bit of a difference if the game is flawed with glitches freezeups, universe fuckups, a boring career mode, lack of match types etc etc etc.

oh yeah and lack of moves cause let's face it the only way we are gonna get any moves is because of these new guys or the effing young bucks. let's keep adding young bucks moves in the game but continue to forget about the fucked up SCM, People's elbow, the fact nash still doesn't have his corner knee strikes and the fact they keep removing stuff because of online players constantly bitching.

 

i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out.

[Auday]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

Jeff shut the fuck up with the "I know a lot about the game" BS. You know fuck all! Are we restarting last year drill again now?  Do you not remember how you turned out to be a filthy liar after all your claims about the game? Who's your source this time? Lmfao. Everytime I try not to be rude to you you act like a retard.

actually the only thing i was wrong about was Owen Hart. everything else i was spot on about

 

*No 4HW cause vince said so.. Matadores instead

*No to goldberg and kurt angle cause vince said so

*entire hart foundation in the game (was wrong about owen) he was supposed to be in but i reckon they never got permission.

so i really don't see what the problem is.

my source is all the people that were community managers for WWEGames at one point or another all the way back to SVR11. Cory, marcus, Aaron, Aubrey, B Williams, and even Jared. 

my other sources are the 2K people who have said countless times that these games are based on the previous year and just cause they scan someone does not entirely mean they will be included that year.

they also have said countless times that Vince has final approval and that the roster cut off is Payback (this year would have made it Extreme Rules)

i wasn't trying to be a retard an asshole or anything i was just speaking truth and what i know... If joe was dlc you can best believe that there's a 75% chance Shinzuke will be DLC. the bottom line is i don't really care all about the roster anymore. you can have a perfect roster. it could be a perfect current/nxt roster with no legends and still wouldn't make a bit of a difference if the game is flawed with glitches freezeups, universe fuckups, a boring career mode, lack of match types etc etc etc.

oh yeah and lack of moves cause let's face it the only way we are gonna get any moves is because of these new guys or the effing young bucks. let's keep adding young bucks moves in the game but continue to forget about the fucked up SCM, People's elbow, the fact nash still doesn't have his corner knee strikes and the fact they keep removing stuff because of online players constantly bitching.

 

i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out.

Jeff, I can guess 100 things and I can assure you most of them will be right. You get accused for the wrong claims not the right ones. Plus we all know you don't have any source inside 2k. The guy who you got the news from registered here himself and he said he's the one who told you the info and he had fuck all to do with 2k, just another person like you guessing BS. Also we all know "Shinzzzzuke" will be DLC, it's not hard to guess that. All I am saying is go ahead and guess whatever the fuck you want but don't tell us you know stuff about the game or that you "have" sources that work/ed for 2k because :1)As I said you know fuck all, you're just guessing. 2)I bet someone who works for 2k would leak the info to a moron. You do realize they can lose their jobs for that? Why would they lose their jobs to leak stuff to you? Give me a valid reason? No reason at all. Also

 

"i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out."

 

When in the fucking hell did I tell you you needed to be a bit more pro active? Holy fuck, are you making up BS now? The only thing I keep telling you whenever new WWE games are about to get released is that you know fuck all. That;s it.

[DrJoeyMagnum]

 

and yes for a time i did go on a few rants but tantrum? i don't think so. you have me confused with the idiots on 2k's forums.

Nice try though.

 

What about the numerous times you "quit" the forum? or times you changed your username to SeeYaSmacktalk or fuckthisforum, that's a tantrum in most people's book

[Paroxysm]

Paroxysm please explain to me how you're able to speak coherently with only 40 posts. You shouldn't acquire that skill until you've at least hit the 150 mark.

Not sure what you mean but I have been around for a while before I actually signed up, not that I post that often anyways lol

[DrJoeyMagnum]

Paroxysm please explain to me how you're able to speak coherently with only 40 posts. You shouldn't acquire that skill until you've at least hit the 150 mark.

Not sure what you mean but I have been around for a while before I actually signed up, not that I post that often anyways lol

Basically you're typing cool calm matter, while young Jeff here tends to fly off the handle 

[Paroxysm]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

You clearly didn't read what I say, and you thinking since I am new to the forum I have no knowledge about the game itself deems you well, fucking delusional.

You clearly didn't read anything I said, I didn't pull any "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card, whatever the fuck that means.

I purposefully said, Sasha was scanned, meaning they DID TRY to get them in, but was not able to get all 4 in.

If they couldn't get all 4 of them in, they would leave all 4 of them out, even if they had scanned maybe 2 or three of them.

Again, Sasha being scanned does not mean she should have been in the game alone, I literally said the exact fucking opposite.

But what do I know right, I have mere 39 posts as opposed to your 8000+, including stating that you hate lesbians though you are a homosexual yourself, and I'm assuming at least 7000 of the other posts are some sort of hateful rant/spastic man-child tantrum. You are delusional. Neither I, nor anyone else take anything you say seriously.

FFS And you don't get that none of them were going to be included because Vince/WWE SAID NO. what part of that aren't you understanding. the Vince part or the No part.

the plan was for all 4 to be Day one DLC and vince said no.

and the majority of my posts while not giving a care how many i have or you have have been substantial. they don't just extend to this particular section. i post in the creations section, the WWE section, the Games section. and yes for a time i did go on a few rants but tantrum? i don't think so. you have me confused with the idiots on 2k's forums.

Nice try though.

we'll see what happens. roster cutoff is supposed to be payback which this year that would make it extreme rules.  so maybe shinzuke makes it on disc maybe he doesn't. it all comes down to prioritizing. i get that he is a big name and everything but i get this feeling most want him and the club in just so they can have some sort of NJPW league going on. which i have no problem with that but like i said it all comes down to prioritizing and how much they're actually considering to put on disc this year. will they go past 125? will they go to 200? i'd personally like to see the on disc roster at around 250. that would definitely be enough for current, nxt, women's division (all that matters) and a huge area for legends. but like i said it all has to do what wwe approves/disapproves.

have a nice night.  I'm out

Paroxysm please explain to me how you're able to speak coherently with only 40 posts. You shouldn't acquire that skill until you've at least hit the 150 mark.

you know i didn't mean anything by post count but you know how people come on a forum. think they know everything about a certain thing when they only have like 20 or 30 posts and they know nothing. this all started when i told him the game was based on the year before which it's always been. every game has been a year in a hole. 2k15's was based on 2014. 2k16 was based on 2015 the only thing they normally add extra is probably making sure some of their guys has the current year attire. (like rollins) which was clearly based off of 2015 since they still had him with the blondish/black two toned hair style. but it is what it is

I'd genuinely like to know exactly how you know Vince himself said no to the 4 HW, because I'm calling complete bullshit on that. It's much more likely that they just were not able to scan all 4 of them, so they decided to leave all 4 out.

Like I said again, which you clearly are not understanding here, yes, 2K15 was based on 2014. 2K16 was based on 2015. What WrestleMania happened in 2015? Oh, WrestleMania 31? The same arena that is in the game? WrestleMania 32 will be in WWE 2K17, and all superstars/attires/other aesthetics will be based off WrestleMania 32. Reigns will probably have his gold trim attire, HHH will no doubt use that attire, Sheamus will probably have red trunks, Rusev will have his boots. Everything is based off the most recent WrestleMania.

[HiPcavallo]

Paroxysm please explain to me how you're able to speak coherently with only 40 posts. You shouldn't acquire that skill until you've at least hit the 150 mark.

Not sure what you mean but I have been around for a while before I actually signed up, not that I post that often anyways lol

Basically you're typing cool calm matter, while young Jeff here tends to fly off the handle 

This essentially, and I was just making a joke out of Jeff's comment about you "not knowing shit because you only had 39 posts".

Edited June 17, 2016 by HiPcavallo

[Sunny]

This kid is a chip of the 'ol block. If I hadn't looked at his post count, I'd think he'd been here for a decade at the very least. HiP, Ticaliano, Paroxysm. Where have y'all been digging up these half decent posters from? Croatia? It's like Sal impregnated a couple streetwalkers and gave us all a parting gift.

Yes, that's called putting over new talent. Not whoring for likes as much as it might seem.

[Auday]

 

I'd genuinely like to know exactly how you know Vince himself said no to the 4 HW, because I'm calling complete bullshit on that. It's much more likely that they just were not able to scan all 4 of them, so they decided to leave all 4 out.

You don't ask Jeff such a question. He has inside sources and Mr.McMahon is a personal friend of Geof since the old gangs days.

[Paroxysm]

Ah, I used to hit the streets with Big Vinny Mac back in the day as well but we sort of fell off. I guess he found a new hustler in Jeff

[Steenalizer]

[the King Lives]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

Jeff shut the fuck up with the "I know a lot about the game" BS. You know fuck all! Are we restarting last year drill again now?  Do you not remember how you turned out to be a filthy liar after all your claims about the game? Who's your source this time? Lmfao. Everytime I try not to be rude to you you act like a retard.

actually the only thing i was wrong about was Owen Hart. everything else i was spot on about

 

*No 4HW cause vince said so.. Matadores instead

*No to goldberg and kurt angle cause vince said so

*entire hart foundation in the game (was wrong about owen) he was supposed to be in but i reckon they never got permission.

so i really don't see what the problem is.

my source is all the people that were community managers for WWEGames at one point or another all the way back to SVR11. Cory, marcus, Aaron, Aubrey, B Williams, and even Jared. 

my other sources are the 2K people who have said countless times that these games are based on the previous year and just cause they scan someone does not entirely mean they will be included that year.

they also have said countless times that Vince has final approval and that the roster cut off is Payback (this year would have made it Extreme Rules)

i wasn't trying to be a retard an asshole or anything i was just speaking truth and what i know... If joe was dlc you can best believe that there's a 75% chance Shinzuke will be DLC. the bottom line is i don't really care all about the roster anymore. you can have a perfect roster. it could be a perfect current/nxt roster with no legends and still wouldn't make a bit of a difference if the game is flawed with glitches freezeups, universe fuckups, a boring career mode, lack of match types etc etc etc.

oh yeah and lack of moves cause let's face it the only way we are gonna get any moves is because of these new guys or the effing young bucks. let's keep adding young bucks moves in the game but continue to forget about the fucked up SCM, People's elbow, the fact nash still doesn't have his corner knee strikes and the fact they keep removing stuff because of online players constantly bitching.

 

i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out.

Jeff, I can guess 100 things and I can assure you most of them will be right. You get accused for the wrong claims not the right ones. Plus we all know you don't have any source inside 2k. The guy who you got the news from registered here himself and he said he's the one who told you the info and he had fuck all to do with 2k, just another person like you guessing BS. Also we all know "Shinzzzzuke" will be DLC, it's not hard to guess that. All I am saying is go ahead and guess whatever the fuck you want but don't tell us you know stuff about the game or that you "have" sources that work/ed for 2k because :1)As I said you know fuck all, you're just guessing. 2)I bet someone who works for 2k would leak the info to a moron. You do realize they can lose their jobs for that? Why would they lose their jobs to leak stuff to you? Give me a valid reason? No reason at all. Also

 

"i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out."

 

When in the fucking hell did I tell you you needed to be a bit more pro active? Holy fuck, are you making up BS now? The only thing I keep telling you whenever new WWE games are about to get released is that you know fuck all. That;s it.

no, caveman gamer didn't tell me shit. it was Rawfshowtime AKA Matt Black that shared the info on another forum. Forum of solitude if you must know. after i posted it here he blocked me on twitter saying that i shouldn't have posted it but i got sick of the 4hw crap cause i knew they were't going to be in. that had nothing to do about a guess.

i'm talking about when i would defend thq over certain things caw mode, game freezes etc and you said i need to look at both sides and stop defending THQ/The game so much. that was when i first joined this place. not trying to argue. and i've only said i knew anything last year. that was the only time. the only other time i knew anything was with WWE12 and why jericho was not in the game. so i don't know where you get that i think i know everything every year. i didn't know anything about 2k15 except that everything would be removed and that was a guess. i didn't know anyting/post anything about 2k14 other than i was sick of the "why do we have to have duplicates" discussion. look if everyone on the current roster is on the game that's all that matters but like i said i never claimed to have any inside 2k source i always said it was a friend of mine that worked with the twitter wwegames account. so he did know alot but like caveman gamer said the stuff he knew about was back in january of 2015 which makes sense that some stuff that he knew got changed around or did not happen.

not trying to  argue and i'm not boasting anything.

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

You clearly didn't read what I say, and you thinking since I am new to the forum I have no knowledge about the game itself deems you well, fucking delusional.

You clearly didn't read anything I said, I didn't pull any "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card, whatever the fuck that means.

I purposefully said, Sasha was scanned, meaning they DID TRY to get them in, but was not able to get all 4 in.

If they couldn't get all 4 of them in, they would leave all 4 of them out, even if they had scanned maybe 2 or three of them.

Again, Sasha being scanned does not mean she should have been in the game alone, I literally said the exact fucking opposite.

But what do I know right, I have mere 39 posts as opposed to your 8000+, including stating that you hate lesbians though you are a homosexual yourself, and I'm assuming at least 7000 of the other posts are some sort of hateful rant/spastic man-child tantrum. You are delusional. Neither I, nor anyone else take anything you say seriously.

FFS And you don't get that none of them were going to be included because Vince/WWE SAID NO. what part of that aren't you understanding. the Vince part or the No part.

the plan was for all 4 to be Day one DLC and vince said no.

and the majority of my posts while not giving a care how many i have or you have have been substantial. they don't just extend to this particular section. i post in the creations section, the WWE section, the Games section. and yes for a time i did go on a few rants but tantrum? i don't think so. you have me confused with the idiots on 2k's forums.

Nice try though.

we'll see what happens. roster cutoff is supposed to be payback which this year that would make it extreme rules.  so maybe shinzuke makes it on disc maybe he doesn't. it all comes down to prioritizing. i get that he is a big name and everything but i get this feeling most want him and the club in just so they can have some sort of NJPW league going on. which i have no problem with that but like i said it all comes down to prioritizing and how much they're actually considering to put on disc this year. will they go past 125? will they go to 200? i'd personally like to see the on disc roster at around 250. that would definitely be enough for current, nxt, women's division (all that matters) and a huge area for legends. but like i said it all has to do what wwe approves/disapproves.

have a nice night.  I'm out

Paroxysm please explain to me how you're able to speak coherently with only 40 posts. You shouldn't acquire that skill until you've at least hit the 150 mark.

you know i didn't mean anything by post count but you know how people come on a forum. think they know everything about a certain thing when they only have like 20 or 30 posts and they know nothing. this all started when i told him the game was based on the year before which it's always been. every game has been a year in a hole. 2k15's was based on 2014. 2k16 was based on 2015 the only thing they normally add extra is probably making sure some of their guys has the current year attire. (like rollins) which was clearly based off of 2015 since they still had him with the blondish/black two toned hair style. but it is what it is

I'd genuinely like to know exactly how you know Vince himself said no to the 4 HW, because I'm calling complete bullshit on that. It's much more likely that they just were not able to scan all 4 of them, so they decided to leave all 4 out.

Like I said again, which you clearly are not understanding here, yes, 2K15 was based on 2014. 2K16 was based on 2015. What WrestleMania happened in 2015? Oh, WrestleMania 31? The same arena that is in the game? WrestleMania 32 will be in WWE 2K17, and all superstars/attires/other aesthetics will be based off WrestleMania 32. Reigns will probably have his gold trim attire, HHH will no doubt use that attire, Sheamus will probably have red trunks, Rusev will have his boots. Everything is based off the most recent WrestleMania.

2K said "IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO GET THEM" after that post got made on the 2k forums i asked Marcus Stephenson why the 4HW were not going to be included and he said when he was still with 2k post 2k15 when they submitted a proposed roster with the 4HW that vince said he'd prefer having the matadores dlc before including them.

 

in 2k16 the wrestlemania arena will be 32. but the game will cover from Wrestlemania 31 (2015) to Wrestlemania 32 (2016) it's been this way since SVR2010. attires will reflect changes but as far as characters themselves anyone included will be based between mania 31 and mania 32

 

and yes for a time i did go on a few rants but tantrum? i don't think so. you have me confused with the idiots on 2k's forums.

Nice try though.

 

What about the numerous times you "quit" the forum? or times you changed your username to SeeYaSmacktalk or fuckthisforum, that's a tantrum in most people's book

it was called making a statement.

the statement basically is no one even controls these forums. Smacktalks doesn't, judders doesn't. the only person i ever see here moderating is sunny. well i guess that's better than a moderator on the 2k forums saying that the only match types that belong in a game are those that we see on tv despite the fact he doesn't even have a current gen console.

[DrJoeyMagnum]

"Statement" 

[Paroxysm]

Jeff with that Banks Statement.

[Sunny]

Aw, Jefferoo <3. You d-didn't have to :').

[Penguin]

Aw, Jefferoo <3. You d-didn't have to :').

I love you too! although Fufu will always be higher in my heart. Can I get a promotion now?

[Auday]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

Jeff shut the fuck up with the "I know a lot about the game" BS. You know fuck all! Are we restarting last year drill again now?  Do you not remember how you turned out to be a filthy liar after all your claims about the game? Who's your source this time? Lmfao. Everytime I try not to be rude to you you act like a retard.

actually the only thing i was wrong about was Owen Hart. everything else i was spot on about

 

*No 4HW cause vince said so.. Matadores instead

*No to goldberg and kurt angle cause vince said so

*entire hart foundation in the game (was wrong about owen) he was supposed to be in but i reckon they never got permission.

so i really don't see what the problem is.

my source is all the people that were community managers for WWEGames at one point or another all the way back to SVR11. Cory, marcus, Aaron, Aubrey, B Williams, and even Jared. 

my other sources are the 2K people who have said countless times that these games are based on the previous year and just cause they scan someone does not entirely mean they will be included that year.

they also have said countless times that Vince has final approval and that the roster cut off is Payback (this year would have made it Extreme Rules)

i wasn't trying to be a retard an asshole or anything i was just speaking truth and what i know... If joe was dlc you can best believe that there's a 75% chance Shinzuke will be DLC. the bottom line is i don't really care all about the roster anymore. you can have a perfect roster. it could be a perfect current/nxt roster with no legends and still wouldn't make a bit of a difference if the game is flawed with glitches freezeups, universe fuckups, a boring career mode, lack of match types etc etc etc.

oh yeah and lack of moves cause let's face it the only way we are gonna get any moves is because of these new guys or the effing young bucks. let's keep adding young bucks moves in the game but continue to forget about the fucked up SCM, People's elbow, the fact nash still doesn't have his corner knee strikes and the fact they keep removing stuff because of online players constantly bitching.

 

i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out.

Jeff, I can guess 100 things and I can assure you most of them will be right. You get accused for the wrong claims not the right ones. Plus we all know you don't have any source inside 2k. The guy who you got the news from registered here himself and he said he's the one who told you the info and he had fuck all to do with 2k, just another person like you guessing BS. Also we all know "Shinzzzzuke" will be DLC, it's not hard to guess that. All I am saying is go ahead and guess whatever the fuck you want but don't tell us you know stuff about the game or that you "have" sources that work/ed for 2k because :1)As I said you know fuck all, you're just guessing. 2)I bet someone who works for 2k would leak the info to a moron. You do realize they can lose their jobs for that? Why would they lose their jobs to leak stuff to you? Give me a valid reason? No reason at all. Also

 

"i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out."

 

When in the fucking hell did I tell you you needed to be a bit more pro active? Holy fuck, are you making up BS now? The only thing I keep telling you whenever new WWE games are about to get released is that you know fuck all. That;s it.

no, caveman gamer didn't tell me shit. it was Rawfshowtime AKA Matt Black that shared the info on another forum. Forum of solitude if you must know. after i posted it here he blocked me on twitter saying that i shouldn't have posted it but i got sick of the 4hw crap cause i knew they were't going to be in. that had nothing to do about a guess.

i'm talking about when i would defend thq over certain things caw mode, game freezes etc and you said i need to look at both sides and stop defending THQ/The game so much. that was when i first joined this place. not trying to argue. and i've only said i knew anything last year. that was the only time. the only other time i knew anything was with WWE12 and why jericho was not in the game. so i don't know where you get that i think i know everything every year. i didn't know anything about 2k15 except that everything would be removed and that was a guess. i didn't know anyting/post anything about 2k14 other than i was sick of the "why do we have to have duplicates" discussion. look if everyone on the current roster is on the game that's all that matters but like i said i never claimed to have any inside 2k source i always said it was a friend of mine that worked with the twitter wwegames account. so he did know alot but like caveman gamer said the stuff he knew about was back in january of 2015 which makes sense that some stuff that he knew got changed around or did not happen.

not trying to  argue and i'm not boasting anything.

The fact that you admit that you fucked your secret source which led to him blocking you proves how much of a dick you are. Even if the stuff he's telling you is BS you still shouldn't do that. Jeff I am sad to tell you from the outside you look like a human but from the inside you're still a drug dealing thug like you used to be back in the days when it used to be all about the fams in the hood.

[the King Lives]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

Jeff shut the fuck up with the "I know a lot about the game" BS. You know fuck all! Are we restarting last year drill again now?  Do you not remember how you turned out to be a filthy liar after all your claims about the game? Who's your source this time? Lmfao. Everytime I try not to be rude to you you act like a retard.

actually the only thing i was wrong about was Owen Hart. everything else i was spot on about

 

*No 4HW cause vince said so.. Matadores instead

*No to goldberg and kurt angle cause vince said so

*entire hart foundation in the game (was wrong about owen) he was supposed to be in but i reckon they never got permission.

so i really don't see what the problem is.

my source is all the people that were community managers for WWEGames at one point or another all the way back to SVR11. Cory, marcus, Aaron, Aubrey, B Williams, and even Jared. 

my other sources are the 2K people who have said countless times that these games are based on the previous year and just cause they scan someone does not entirely mean they will be included that year.

they also have said countless times that Vince has final approval and that the roster cut off is Payback (this year would have made it Extreme Rules)

i wasn't trying to be a retard an asshole or anything i was just speaking truth and what i know... If joe was dlc you can best believe that there's a 75% chance Shinzuke will be DLC. the bottom line is i don't really care all about the roster anymore. you can have a perfect roster. it could be a perfect current/nxt roster with no legends and still wouldn't make a bit of a difference if the game is flawed with glitches freezeups, universe fuckups, a boring career mode, lack of match types etc etc etc.

oh yeah and lack of moves cause let's face it the only way we are gonna get any moves is because of these new guys or the effing young bucks. let's keep adding young bucks moves in the game but continue to forget about the fucked up SCM, People's elbow, the fact nash still doesn't have his corner knee strikes and the fact they keep removing stuff because of online players constantly bitching.

 

i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out.

Jeff, I can guess 100 things and I can assure you most of them will be right. You get accused for the wrong claims not the right ones. Plus we all know you don't have any source inside 2k. The guy who you got the news from registered here himself and he said he's the one who told you the info and he had fuck all to do with 2k, just another person like you guessing BS. Also we all know "Shinzzzzuke" will be DLC, it's not hard to guess that. All I am saying is go ahead and guess whatever the fuck you want but don't tell us you know stuff about the game or that you "have" sources that work/ed for 2k because :1)As I said you know fuck all, you're just guessing. 2)I bet someone who works for 2k would leak the info to a moron. You do realize they can lose their jobs for that? Why would they lose their jobs to leak stuff to you? Give me a valid reason? No reason at all. Also

 

"i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out."

 

When in the fucking hell did I tell you you needed to be a bit more pro active? Holy fuck, are you making up BS now? The only thing I keep telling you whenever new WWE games are about to get released is that you know fuck all. That;s it.

no, caveman gamer didn't tell me shit. it was Rawfshowtime AKA Matt Black that shared the info on another forum. Forum of solitude if you must know. after i posted it here he blocked me on twitter saying that i shouldn't have posted it but i got sick of the 4hw crap cause i knew they were't going to be in. that had nothing to do about a guess.

i'm talking about when i would defend thq over certain things caw mode, game freezes etc and you said i need to look at both sides and stop defending THQ/The game so much. that was when i first joined this place. not trying to argue. and i've only said i knew anything last year. that was the only time. the only other time i knew anything was with WWE12 and why jericho was not in the game. so i don't know where you get that i think i know everything every year. i didn't know anything about 2k15 except that everything would be removed and that was a guess. i didn't know anyting/post anything about 2k14 other than i was sick of the "why do we have to have duplicates" discussion. look if everyone on the current roster is on the game that's all that matters but like i said i never claimed to have any inside 2k source i always said it was a friend of mine that worked with the twitter wwegames account. so he did know alot but like caveman gamer said the stuff he knew about was back in january of 2015 which makes sense that some stuff that he knew got changed around or did not happen.

not trying to  argue and i'm not boasting anything.

The fact that you admit that you fucked your secret source which led to him blocking you proves how much of a dick you are. Even if the stuff he's telling you is BS you still shouldn't do that. Jeff I am sad to tell you from the outside you look like a human but from the inside you're still a drug dealing thug like you used to be back in the days when it used to be all about the fams in the hood.

First of all... We never met outside of twitter.

Second of All.. he told plenty of people on that forum the same thing and several others told other people on other forums so i wasn't the only one.

3rd person i've never been one to keep a secret i told him that when he told me in the first place and furthermore it wasn't as if he signed a NDA or anything. he didn't this was way after the last time he was under any type of disclosure or anything so as far as i'm concerned if he was so worried about shit not getting out. he shouldn't have told me. especially since he knows how much i used to post on twitter. and as far as he goes he wasn't no one special. yeah he knew people int he gaming industry yeah he knew alot about the dev process and taught it to me. but so fucking what he turned out to be nothing but an xbox fan boy. oh yeah and he blocked me on twitter before when i told him he needed to stop defending THQ so much after the 1 count glitch happened. He unblocked me after he joined Forum of Solitude and realized he had to communicate with me. so imo i did nothing wrong. maybe if so many stupid diva fans on caws.ws weren't going on and on about how if the 4HW weren't going to be in 2k16 then 2K just needs to die a horrible death i would have been quiet. matter of fact if he had never mentioned the Owen Hart thing i probably would have never said anything. but you know what that was then. this is now. again i just want it to be a decent game no issues  no arguing. just a good game. period.

Jeff with that Banks Statement.

sorry please don't associated me with anything sasha banks. i do not like her. i think she was a flash in the pan and will be back on nxt within the next year

[Auday]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

Jeff shut the fuck up with the "I know a lot about the game" BS. You know fuck all! Are we restarting last year drill again now?  Do you not remember how you turned out to be a filthy liar after all your claims about the game? Who's your source this time? Lmfao. Everytime I try not to be rude to you you act like a retard.

actually the only thing i was wrong about was Owen Hart. everything else i was spot on about

 

*No 4HW cause vince said so.. Matadores instead

*No to goldberg and kurt angle cause vince said so

*entire hart foundation in the game (was wrong about owen) he was supposed to be in but i reckon they never got permission.

so i really don't see what the problem is.

my source is all the people that were community managers for WWEGames at one point or another all the way back to SVR11. Cory, marcus, Aaron, Aubrey, B Williams, and even Jared. 

my other sources are the 2K people who have said countless times that these games are based on the previous year and just cause they scan someone does not entirely mean they will be included that year.

they also have said countless times that Vince has final approval and that the roster cut off is Payback (this year would have made it Extreme Rules)

i wasn't trying to be a retard an asshole or anything i was just speaking truth and what i know... If joe was dlc you can best believe that there's a 75% chance Shinzuke will be DLC. the bottom line is i don't really care all about the roster anymore. you can have a perfect roster. it could be a perfect current/nxt roster with no legends and still wouldn't make a bit of a difference if the game is flawed with glitches freezeups, universe fuckups, a boring career mode, lack of match types etc etc etc.

oh yeah and lack of moves cause let's face it the only way we are gonna get any moves is because of these new guys or the effing young bucks. let's keep adding young bucks moves in the game but continue to forget about the fucked up SCM, People's elbow, the fact nash still doesn't have his corner knee strikes and the fact they keep removing stuff because of online players constantly bitching.

 

i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out.

Jeff, I can guess 100 things and I can assure you most of them will be right. You get accused for the wrong claims not the right ones. Plus we all know you don't have any source inside 2k. The guy who you got the news from registered here himself and he said he's the one who told you the info and he had fuck all to do with 2k, just another person like you guessing BS. Also we all know "Shinzzzzuke" will be DLC, it's not hard to guess that. All I am saying is go ahead and guess whatever the fuck you want but don't tell us you know stuff about the game or that you "have" sources that work/ed for 2k because :1)As I said you know fuck all, you're just guessing. 2)I bet someone who works for 2k would leak the info to a moron. You do realize they can lose their jobs for that? Why would they lose their jobs to leak stuff to you? Give me a valid reason? No reason at all. Also

 

"i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out."

 

When in the fucking hell did I tell you you needed to be a bit more pro active? Holy fuck, are you making up BS now? The only thing I keep telling you whenever new WWE games are about to get released is that you know fuck all. That;s it.

no, caveman gamer didn't tell me shit. it was Rawfshowtime AKA Matt Black that shared the info on another forum. Forum of solitude if you must know. after i posted it here he blocked me on twitter saying that i shouldn't have posted it but i got sick of the 4hw crap cause i knew they were't going to be in. that had nothing to do about a guess.

i'm talking about when i would defend thq over certain things caw mode, game freezes etc and you said i need to look at both sides and stop defending THQ/The game so much. that was when i first joined this place. not trying to argue. and i've only said i knew anything last year. that was the only time. the only other time i knew anything was with WWE12 and why jericho was not in the game. so i don't know where you get that i think i know everything every year. i didn't know anything about 2k15 except that everything would be removed and that was a guess. i didn't know anyting/post anything about 2k14 other than i was sick of the "why do we have to have duplicates" discussion. look if everyone on the current roster is on the game that's all that matters but like i said i never claimed to have any inside 2k source i always said it was a friend of mine that worked with the twitter wwegames account. so he did know alot but like caveman gamer said the stuff he knew about was back in january of 2015 which makes sense that some stuff that he knew got changed around or did not happen.

not trying to  argue and i'm not boasting anything.

The fact that you admit that you fucked your secret source which led to him blocking you proves how much of a dick you are. Even if the stuff he's telling you is BS you still shouldn't do that. Jeff I am sad to tell you from the outside you look like a human but from the inside you're still a drug dealing thug like you used to be back in the days when it used to be all about the fams in the hood.

First of all... We never met outside of twitter.

Second of All.. he told plenty of people on that forum the same thing and several others told other people on other forums so i wasn't the only one.

3rd person i've never been one to keep a secret i told him that when he told me in the first place and furthermore it wasn't as if he signed a NDA or anything. he didn't this was way after the last time he was under any type of disclosure or anything so as far as i'm concerned if he was so worried about shit not getting out. he shouldn't have told me. especially since he knows how much i used to post on twitter. and as far as he goes he wasn't no one special. yeah he knew people int he gaming industry yeah he knew alot about the dev process and taught it to me. but so fucking what he turned out to be nothing but an xbox fan boy. oh yeah and he blocked me on twitter before when i told him he needed to stop defending THQ so much after the 1 count glitch happened. He unblocked me after he joined Forum of Solitude and realized he had to communicate with me. so imo i did nothing wrong. maybe if so many stupid diva fans on caws.ws weren't going on and on about how if the 4HW weren't going to be in 2k16 then 2K just needs to die a horrible death i would have been quiet. matter of fact if he had never mentioned the Owen Hart thing i probably would have never said anything. but you know what that was then. this is now. again i just want it to be a decent game no issues  no arguing. just a good game. period.

Jeff with that Banks Statement.

sorry please don't associated me with anything sasha banks. i do not like her. i think she was a flash in the pan and will be back on nxt within the next year

u still screwed him Jeff. Lets admit you're a bad person. A VERY bad person.

[the King Lives]

Holy shit you are thick man. Not even going to bother even trying to respond to you, you are clearly living in your own bubble.

i knew alot about the game last year.

i have known about the development process since 2009. you coming in here with only 39 posts says to me that you know nothing. you are trying to play that "sasha was scanned so she alone should have been in 2k16" card. that is all

Jeff shut the fuck up with the "I know a lot about the game" BS. You know fuck all! Are we restarting last year drill again now?  Do you not remember how you turned out to be a filthy liar after all your claims about the game? Who's your source this time? Lmfao. Everytime I try not to be rude to you you act like a retard.

actually the only thing i was wrong about was Owen Hart. everything else i was spot on about

 

*No 4HW cause vince said so.. Matadores instead

*No to goldberg and kurt angle cause vince said so

*entire hart foundation in the game (was wrong about owen) he was supposed to be in but i reckon they never got permission.

so i really don't see what the problem is.

my source is all the people that were community managers for WWEGames at one point or another all the way back to SVR11. Cory, marcus, Aaron, Aubrey, B Williams, and even Jared. 

my other sources are the 2K people who have said countless times that these games are based on the previous year and just cause they scan someone does not entirely mean they will be included that year.

they also have said countless times that Vince has final approval and that the roster cut off is Payback (this year would have made it Extreme Rules)

i wasn't trying to be a retard an asshole or anything i was just speaking truth and what i know... If joe was dlc you can best believe that there's a 75% chance Shinzuke will be DLC. the bottom line is i don't really care all about the roster anymore. you can have a perfect roster. it could be a perfect current/nxt roster with no legends and still wouldn't make a bit of a difference if the game is flawed with glitches freezeups, universe fuckups, a boring career mode, lack of match types etc etc etc.

oh yeah and lack of moves cause let's face it the only way we are gonna get any moves is because of these new guys or the effing young bucks. let's keep adding young bucks moves in the game but continue to forget about the fucked up SCM, People's elbow, the fact nash still doesn't have his corner knee strikes and the fact they keep removing stuff because of online players constantly bitching.

 

i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out.

Jeff, I can guess 100 things and I can assure you most of them will be right. You get accused for the wrong claims not the right ones. Plus we all know you don't have any source inside 2k. The guy who you got the news from registered here himself and he said he's the one who told you the info and he had fuck all to do with 2k, just another person like you guessing BS. Also we all know "Shinzzzzuke" will be DLC, it's not hard to guess that. All I am saying is go ahead and guess whatever the fuck you want but don't tell us you know stuff about the game or that you "have" sources that work/ed for 2k because :1)As I said you know fuck all, you're just guessing. 2)I bet someone who works for 2k would leak the info to a moron. You do realize they can lose their jobs for that? Why would they lose their jobs to leak stuff to you? Give me a valid reason? No reason at all. Also

 

"i don't know what you want for me.. I defended THQ on certain things and you told me i needed to be a bit more pro active and against everything they stood for. well i don't like the way 2K does things at all and i tell you everything i know and i still get attacked.. i guess i just can't win for losing. I give up.. i'm out."

 

When in the fucking hell did I tell you you needed to be a bit more pro active? Holy fuck, are you making up BS now? The only thing I keep telling you whenever new WWE games are about to get released is that you know fuck all. That;s it.

no, caveman gamer didn't tell me shit. it was Rawfshowtime AKA Matt Black that shared the info on another forum. Forum of solitude if you must know. after i posted it here he blocked me on twitter saying that i shouldn't have posted it but i got sick of the 4hw crap cause i knew they were't going to be in. that had nothing to do about a guess.

i'm talking about when i would defend thq over certain things caw mode, game freezes etc and you said i need to look at both sides and stop defending THQ/The game so much. that was when i first joined this place. not trying to argue. and i've only said i knew anything last year. that was the only time. the only other time i knew anything was with WWE12 and why jericho was not in the game. so i don't know where you get that i think i know everything every year. i didn't know anything about 2k15 except that everything would be removed and that was a guess. i didn't know anyting/post anything about 2k14 other than i was sick of the "why do we have to have duplicates" discussion. look if everyone on the current roster is on the game that's all that matters but like i said i never claimed to have any inside 2k source i always said it was a friend of mine that worked with the twitter wwegames account. so he did know alot but like caveman gamer said the stuff he knew about was back in january of 2015 which makes sense that some stuff that he knew got changed around or did not happen.

not trying to  argue and i'm not boasting anything.

The fact that you admit that you fucked your secret source which led to him blocking you proves how much of a dick you are. Even if the stuff he's telling you is BS you still shouldn't do that. Jeff I am sad to tell you from the outside you look like a human but from the inside you're still a drug dealing thug like you used to be back in the days when it used to be all about the fams in the hood.

First of all... We never met outside of twitter.

Second of All.. he told plenty of people on that forum the same thing and several others told other people on other forums so i wasn't the only one.

3rd person i've never been one to keep a secret i told him that when he told me in the first place and furthermore it wasn't as if he signed a NDA or anything. he didn't this was way after the last time he was under any type of disclosure or anything so as far as i'm concerned if he was so worried about shit not getting out. he shouldn't have told me. especially since he knows how much i used to post on twitter. and as far as he goes he wasn't no one special. yeah he knew people int he gaming industry yeah he knew alot about the dev process and taught it to me. but so fucking what he turned out to be nothing but an xbox fan boy. oh yeah and he blocked me on twitter before when i told him he needed to stop defending THQ so much after the 1 count glitch happened. He unblocked me after he joined Forum of Solitude and realized he had to communicate with me. so imo i did nothing wrong. maybe if so many stupid diva fans on caws.ws weren't going on and on about how if the 4HW weren't going to be in 2k16 then 2K just needs to die a horrible death i would have been quiet. matter of fact if he had never mentioned the Owen Hart thing i probably would have never said anything. but you know what that was then. this is now. again i just want it to be a decent game no issues  no arguing. just a good game. period.

Jeff with that Banks Statement.

sorry please don't associated me with anything sasha banks. i do not like her. i think she was a flash in the pan and will be back on nxt within the next year

u still screwed him Jeff. Lets admit you're a bad person. A VERY bad person.

how can i screw anything. from someone i only met on the internet. nothing more. i agree maybe it wasn't the nicest thing to do but i'm not here cause i'm nice. i got to where i am at now because of my non-nice attitude if that's something you can't understand well too bad. you're still young. maybe when you are 35 you will understand that there doesn't have to be a reason for anything. can we please drop this? it's been a year since this crap happened.