WWE 2K17

[Apost Khan]

I must say I love how Los Matadores were part of the future stars pack, and they were already off TV getting repackaged by the time the DLC was released.

yep. well i don't really fault wwe for that cause the games do cover the previous year's mania to the current year. so basically 2k16 was supposed to cover from the night after mania 31 - mania 32 (if i got that right.) whatever 2015's mania - whatever number 2016's mania was lol

 

but yeah. i thought that was silly too and what was even more silly is that we couldn't remove the damn mask, they didn't add in cody as a separate model cause wwe said they didn't want people "knowing their true identity" despite the fact we've known for years. etc etc the list goes on The worst had to be not being able to change mizdow's name back to sandow

To be fair I fully understand, and somewhat agree with that reasoning. Yes we may know who they are but their gimmick portrayed them as luchadors, which in turn meant their masks were supposed to be pivotal to their character, and their identity was supposed to be a mystery. Masks in general are a touchy subject really, if they let us remove Los Matadores masks then why not Sin Cara's? We know who he is anyway so it shouldn't hurt, but then you'll have people bitching about not being able to remove Kalisto's (which absolutely should not be allowed to happen) etc.. They definitely should give us more options for editing in game characters but aside from editing or replacing them masks should be off limits (only possible exception being for classic versions of characters who lost their masks, like Kane maybe, although Kane with long hair and no mask would just be wrong).

The Cody excuse made no sense though considering they've actually acknowledged his real identity on TV several times. They should've let us edit, and remove his face paint at the very least. It'd be nice to be able to edit hair, and facial hair as well. Not to mention be able to add logos to their face and body without having to use a glitch to do so.

 

Oh def. I don't think he could have had a sustained run as the top guy, but when he was really on fire going into that Punk feud, if they had handled him right, they could have had a nice Goldberg style run of a year or two with him as the top guy and then you could have made their next top guy by having him beat a 2 year undefeated Ryback. He ended up where I fear Rusev is headed. Where they are good for big guys, if handled correctly they could be huge stars for the company, but they don't have the in-ring of Cesaro or Owens to overcome all the stop-start booking, so they just end up as forgotten midcarders. ADR is another great example. Hes a top ten talent but dude has been booked into oblivion.

A two year win streak would've been terrible. Ryback got over beating jobbers in squash matches, the moment he started having longer matches against anyone higher on the card he would've been completely exposed (as it is anyone who'd watched the first season of NXT already knew how limited he was). Not to mention the roster was too hollow, he would've had to start going up against main event level talent and once that happened it would've been impossible to keep him out of title contention and sustain his winning streak. While there were two world titles he could've got away with a WHC reign, but had they put him up for the WWE title in 2013 over Daniel Bryan that in and of itself would've buried him. Not to mention he never would've been able to carry the WWE title as anything other than a transitional champion. They definitely dropped the ball on Ryback, I don't care for the guy personally but he easily could've been a solid mid-upper tier guy which they desperately needed, but his winning streak couldn't have been sustained any longer than mid 2013. The win streak worked for Goldberg because at the time WCW was almost overflowing with top contenders and had a flourishing mid card, so the slow build worked because you had plenty of steps to climb to get to the main event. These days (and especially during 2012-2013) the mid card is largely irrelevant and viewed as a form of purgatory, so once you get on a hot streak competing for a mid card title or going over mid card contenders is viewed as a step down and will grow old fast, which ultimately is more detrimental to the guys push than anything.

 

yeah i never liked del rio at first but i think it was because of how his 2 world title reigns happened and like you said del rio has never been booked right. only thing i liked about del rio back then was that he beat the crap out of mysterio lol.  but yeah they didn't book ryback right. hell they didn't even book goldberg right in 2003. i know goldberg didn't really wanna be there but still. and while i was a fan of goldberg i was never a big fan of that long winning streak. But i met the guy in person after a nitro and he was pretty cool. but yeah i don't know maybe wwe just doesn't know how to book big guys anymore. i mean look what they did to kane and the big show.. poor show lol

It's not just big guys, WWE doesn't know how to book anyone anymore. Even when they get something right they generally fuck it up in the end.

That's the booking dilemma. You have to commit to it 100%. You can't put him in longer matches. You have to have him squash everyone, until he gets vanquished by the one person who will be your face for the next ten years, then once that happens, he has to disappear for a long time and you can only use him in spots like Brock. I get what you are saying, for people like us it would have sucked, but they would have made a ton of money off of casuals. That's the inherent problem with a Ryback-like wrestler, you get one shot to make money with them, if you hit a homerun they become a legend you can parachute into shotrun programs for a few years, if you falter and his push stalls before he ever hits it big, then the mystique is gone and you're left with Van Hammer.

[the King Lives]

yeah i know. that was what made wcw so great. it wasn't really even the nwo storyline or the main eventers. that midcard was really built pretty good and it was just wrestling. not a bunch of storylines (well not till around 97 when raven showed up) the cruiserweight division helped. it was interesting to watch.

 

and yeah WWE has started to somewhat do what i noticed TNA used to do when i used to watch them: They'd start off with a good story but not know how to finish it or even realize that who they have being put over shouldn't be put over.  I will admit i think the whole sting/triple h thing was just WWE's way of saying yeah wcw sucks it's dead now we're superior blah blah blah. but this roman reigns thing needs to stop. i can deal with cena because he actually reacts to the boos but reigns just acts like they aren't even there LOL

[HiPcavallo]

I don't disagree with that approach. But the thing is you just know there is no way WWE would've let him squash main event level talent (even The Great Khali who was far more limited in ring, and made his debut by squashing the fucking Undertaker ended up having long matches relatively quickly), and by the time he started going up against them he would've been stuck working 10-15 minute matches. There's also no way they'd take him off TV for extended periods of time unless they absolutely had to, and once he took the initial loss he was always going to start losing more frequently (because WWE logic dictates once you've had one loss you no longer need to keep looking dominant). I do think Ryback could've been much bigger than he was, I just don't think WWE's booking style and roster would've allowed a dominant win streak to work long term. But you're right, if WWE would actually fully commit to a booking approach they're roster could be flourishing right now.

That's kinda what made the 90's such a great time for wrestling in general. The WCW, WWE, and ECW roster's were stacked and every division meant something (well aside from maybe the women's divisions). For me the biggest highlight of WCW was probably the cruiserweight division, the wrestling was top notch, and they were given a solid platform to be taken seriously at a time when no one took smaller wrestlers seriously.

Roman should've turned heel over a year ago. That's one thing I don't get about modern day WWE, they keep insisting on fighting the crowd reactions to the detriment of their product and the talent. Roman isn't even the only one, in 2014 when Cesaro was getting massive face pops they just pushed harder to establish him as a heel and then blamed him for failing to resonate with the audience when they sabotaged him in the first place, and by the end of the year he was barely getting any kind of reaction as a result (thankfully he rebounded at least). Once upon a time they would've gone with the crowd reactions and allowed characters to develop accordingly and everyone got over organically, just look at what happened to The Rock. They pushed hard for him to be the ultimate babyface, and when it just got him insane heat they turned him heel and it was the best thing that ever could've happened to him. And on top of that the booking in general is a complete mess, you've got champions losing far too frequently, completely undermining their position as champion (and then no one bothers to mention that they should be number one contenders for beating the champions, completely undermining the prestige of the titles themselves), 50/50 booking keeping everyone who isn't John Cena or Roman Reigns at the same level as everyone else, so much talent that should be getting pushed being completely wasted because Vince doesn't like them, and so many instances of guys having their momentum completely derailed for losing the big matches they need to be winning. WWE these days is just a complete clusterfuck, not to mention the storylines are complete shit, and basic logic and common sense no longer exist.

[doctorhr2]

I stopped my sub to the Network just before Mania because I could no longer forgive the terrible matches and lack of direction. I have to agree with Jim Cornette when he says that wrestling is dead. It's now more like some sort of fourth wall breaking interactive theatre experience! We know it's predetermined, they know we know and they are going to kinda pretend that it doesn't matter while at the same time maybe not taking so much care over how well those punches are connecting or if the psychology of the match makes sense; you know, things that would sell a match.

  You'd go to watch a play or a movie for what you can get out of it on whatever level it's pitched at. If you're looking for technical brilliance or big explosions or great writing, whatever. With 'wrestling' what's left now? We know how the whole industry works so there is no ambiguity over how 'real' it is. We can pretty much work out who is going to become champ based on how they are booked and if they have any film roles coming up we know they will drop a belt. This is going to sound like a sweeping ol' timer statement, but it is a personal thought based on my observations going back to about '87: there are just not the people, in the ring and backstage, who understand how it works anymore. Too many writers, too many 'superstars' who don't know how to work a match relying on spots and stunts.

Meh.. rant over!

Just a thought on WWE2K'17: Do we think Bill Goldberg being their pre-order bonus will mean maybe a heavier WcW influence? Maybe a career mode for Sting? (Although to save time and money they will probably do The Rock's career instead as they already have most of those assets in '16). Geez 2K, if I want to watch old matches I'll go on Youtube. I'm going to go have my afternoon nap!

[the King Lives]

well i don't know if it'll be too heavy or a career for sting. unless they can get hogan. but what you need to realize that is without showcase there wouldn't be any major surplus of legends. and lets not turn this into a "legends are a waste" speech cause the entire current roster was on 16 so i am confident a surplus of legends can be on the game as well as the entire current raw/smackdown roster

[Genericho™]

I'd say it's a safe bet the cover is Roman...

And we'll be using mods for Cody and Ryback. It wouldn't shock me if Sandow, Christian and Santino still made the game though even though they were let go.

And after last year I'm expecting nothing when it comes to the NXT roster, that way if we do get NXT people I will be pleasantly surprised rather than furious.

Christian is still part of the company. He just doesnt have a wrestler contract since he is retired. Thats the contract he was let go from if I am correct.

[the King Lives]

I'd say it's a safe bet the cover is Roman...

And we'll be using mods for Cody and Ryback. It wouldn't shock me if Sandow, Christian and Santino still made the game though even though they were let go.

And after last year I'm expecting nothing when it comes to the NXT roster, that way if we do get NXT people I will be pleasantly surprised rather than furious.

Christian is still part of the company. He just doesnt have a wrestler contract since he is retired. Thats the contract he was let go from if I am correct.

that is correct. eventhough didn't the E&C show officially end?

[Genericho™]

I'd say it's a safe bet the cover is Roman...

And we'll be using mods for Cody and Ryback. It wouldn't shock me if Sandow, Christian and Santino still made the game though even though they were let go.

And after last year I'm expecting nothing when it comes to the NXT roster, that way if we do get NXT people I will be pleasantly surprised rather than furious.

Christian is still part of the company. He just doesnt have a wrestler contract since he is retired. Thats the contract he was let go from if I am correct.

that is correct. eventhough didn't the E&C show officially end?

No news about season 2. 50/50. I wish there is because I actually liked it

[the King Lives]

I'd say it's a safe bet the cover is Roman...

And we'll be using mods for Cody and Ryback. It wouldn't shock me if Sandow, Christian and Santino still made the game though even though they were let go.

And after last year I'm expecting nothing when it comes to the NXT roster, that way if we do get NXT people I will be pleasantly surprised rather than furious.

Christian is still part of the company. He just doesnt have a wrestler contract since he is retired. Thats the contract he was let go from if I am correct.

that is correct. eventhough didn't the E&C show officially end?

No news about season 2. 50/50. I wish there is because I actually liked it

i never saw it cause i don't have the wwe network but i heard it was pretty good and entertaining

[Nattie 4EVER!]

Edge and Christian show is great.

Goldberg to be on the WWE 2K17 Cover.

[Genericho™]

I'd say it's a safe bet the cover is Roman...

And we'll be using mods for Cody and Ryback. It wouldn't shock me if Sandow, Christian and Santino still made the game though even though they were let go.

And after last year I'm expecting nothing when it comes to the NXT roster, that way if we do get NXT people I will be pleasantly surprised rather than furious.

Christian is still part of the company. He just doesnt have a wrestler contract since he is retired. Thats the contract he was let go from if I am correct.

that is correct. eventhough didn't the E&C show officially end?

No news about season 2. 50/50. I wish there is because I actually liked it

i never saw it cause i don't have the wwe network but i heard it was pretty good and entertaining

It is interesting