A small hypothesis i've had about flair's theme in 2k16

[the King Lives]

I've been playing the THQ smackdown games from SYM - SVR06 and it's been brought to my attention alot of people want to know why flair doesn't have the woo theme but the 1992 knock off version. Well I believe the actual answer is because THQ had the license to the real theme from 2004 - 2014. Which would explain why he had Evolution in SYM, had the Knock off theme in HCTP, and had the real theme in the first SVR (or it may have been svr06) this would suggest THQ had the license to that theme from 2005 - 2014 wich is roughly 10 years and 2k just simply didn't renew the license when it expired.  He had it in 2k15 so yeah there's my theory. Thoughts?

[Tornado_X]

I thought it was for his 2K Showcase DLC from WCW, but im not sure I didnt watch those matches in the early 90s and late 80s

[the King Lives]

I thought it was for his 2K Showcase DLC from WCW, but im not sure I didnt watch those matches in the early 90s and late 80s

nah his wcw theme was basically the same as his 03 woo theme (not the 08 remix) without the woo audible before the theme plays. that's really the only difference. the theme that's in 16 is the theme i think WWF gave him when he came back in 92 i believe and wwf didn't have the rights to the actual song. so any game he's been in where the company either didn't have the rights, lost the license or didn't renew the license, either gave him the 2k16 theme or he had evolution's theme (in the case of SYM i believe)

[HarlotEffect]

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

[Judders]

I prefer his old WWF theme. When we could use custom music, I changed his music to that.

[BigDaddyM]

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

I would have thought it would belong to the motion picture company behind 2001 A Space Odyssey - But WWE have used this same theme in DVD releases before as well. 

[the King Lives]

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

i may be thinking about hctp then i know it was either sym or hctp flair had the evolution theme.

I prefer his old WWF theme. When we could use custom music, I changed his music to that.

the space odyssey theme is more iconic to me i guess cause i was watching wcw more than wwf. but yeah

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

 

I would have thought it would belong to the motion picture company behind 2001 A Space Odyssey - But WWE have used this same theme in DVD releases before as well. 

well yeah wwe has the rights. i think that developers of the games have to also secure rights. it makes sense. that's probably why the nWo theme in SYM was the generic theme and not the actual version.

[BigDaddyM]

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

i may be thinking about hctp then i know it was either sym or hctp flair had the evolution theme.

I prefer his old WWF theme. When we could use custom music, I changed his music to that.

the space odyssey theme is more iconic to me i guess cause i was watching wcw more than wwf. but yeah

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

 

I would have thought it would belong to the motion picture company behind 2001 A Space Odyssey - But WWE have used this same theme in DVD releases before as well. 

well yeah wwe has the rights. i think that developers of the games have to also secure rights. it makes sense. that's probably why the nWo theme in SYM was the generic theme and not the actual version.

Daft really, because you think WWE would write that sort of coverage when agreeing rights to a song. If we use your song for a superstar, that includes all media we use that superstar in.

[the King Lives]

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

i may be thinking about hctp then i know it was either sym or hctp flair had the evolution theme.

I prefer his old WWF theme. When we could use custom music, I changed his music to that.

the space odyssey theme is more iconic to me i guess cause i was watching wcw more than wwf. but yeah

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

 

I would have thought it would belong to the motion picture company behind 2001 A Space Odyssey - But WWE have used this same theme in DVD releases before as well. 

well yeah wwe has the rights. i think that developers of the games have to also secure rights. it makes sense. that's probably why the nWo theme in SYM was the generic theme and not the actual version.

Daft really, because you think WWE would write that sort of coverage when agreeing rights to a song. If we use your song for a superstar, that includes all media we use that superstar in.

yeah you'd think, then again there's songs on the wwe network that have been over written for no reason at all. like the original goldberg theme from wcw. i'm sure jimmy hart composed that and wwe probably just wanted to use their version cause they think it was better lol

[MST3Claye]

 

I prefer his old WWF theme. When we could use custom music, I changed his music to that.

the space odyssey theme is more iconic to me i guess cause i was watching wcw more than wwf. but yeah

Same.. Preferred his WCW theme over the knockoff WWF had. Then again, I couldn't stand Dusty's WWF theme. Has to be a NWA/WCW thing.

[the King Lives]

 

I prefer his old WWF theme. When we could use custom music, I changed his music to that.

the space odyssey theme is more iconic to me i guess cause i was watching wcw more than wwf. but yeah

Same.. Preferred his WCW theme over the knockoff WWF had. Then again, I couldn't stand Dusty's WWF theme. Has to be a NWA/WCW thing.

yeah i swear whoever came up with dusty's theme in wwf should be shot lol. One thing i do wish was the option to be handed a bottle in a cage match if you select dusty vs flair and make it a cage match so i can redo Starrcade (85?) i think it was 85 where Flair used that bottle to bust dusty wide open LOL it became a talked trend when my best friend and i would do our wcw stories and Dusty is announcing for a ppv and we have either Iron Mike or Heenan bring up that bottle LOL

[jitz]

Classical music is ridiculously expensive to license, you have to pay the holder of the rights, plus you have to pay the performer. So 2K would have to pay whomever holds the rights to Richard Strauss. catalog, plus an orchestra who has already performed the song, or get an orchestra to perform it.

So obviously WWE's license doesn't stretch to video games, probably on both accounts. Plus as licensing is the only way to make money in classical music, both charge through the nose. So 2K is looking probably at $50,000+ for one song. I wouldn't pay either, and neither would WWE if they had a choice, this is the sole reason WWE doesn't use music like this for intros anymore.

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

 

I would have thought it would belong to the motion picture company behind 2001 A Space Odyssey - But WWE have used this same theme in DVD releases before as well. 

LOL

[the King Lives]

Classical music is ridiculously expensive to license, you have to pay the holder of the rights, plus you have to pay the performer. So 2K would have to pay whomever holds the rights to Richard Strauss. catalog, plus an orchestra who has already performed the song, or get an orchestra to perform it.

So obviously WWE's license doesn't stretch to video games, probably on both accounts. Plus as licensing is the only way to make money in classical music, both charge through the nose. So 2K is looking probably at $50,000+ for one song. I wouldn't pay either, and neither would WWE if they had a choice, this is the sole reason WWE doesn't use music like this for intros anymore.

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

 

I would have thought it would belong to the motion picture company behind 2001 A Space Odyssey - But WWE have used this same theme in DVD releases before as well. 

LOL

yeah pretty much. like i said thq had the license for 10 years but after that i assume that 2K just didn't want to pay all those royalties/fees to renew it which is understandable.

It also could have been the same with hogan, Jimi Hendrix and Voodoo Child. I know that song was in SYM but after that he got the Real american theme. I don't even think hogan kept using that on wwe tv for long either. IMO i think that's one reason why wcw was financially crippled. everytime hogan used that theme in wcw they had to pay the Hendrix Clan

Edited January 1, 2016 by Jeff's Opinion

[HarlotEffect]

Classical music is ridiculously expensive to license, you have to pay the holder of the rights, plus you have to pay the performer. So 2K would have to pay whomever holds the rights to Richard Strauss. catalog, plus an orchestra who has already performed the song, or get an orchestra to perform it.

So obviously WWE's license doesn't stretch to video games, probably on both accounts. Plus as licensing is the only way to make money in classical music, both charge through the nose. So 2K is looking probably at $50,000+ for one song. I wouldn't pay either, and neither would WWE if they had a choice, this is the sole reason WWE doesn't use music like this for intros anymore.

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

 

I would have thought it would belong to the motion picture company behind 2001 A Space Odyssey - But WWE have used this same theme in DVD releases before as well. 

LOL

yeah pretty much. like i said thq had the license for 10 years but after that i assume that 2K just didn't want to pay all those royalties/fees to renew it which is understandable.

It also could have been the same with hogan, Jimi Hendrix and Voodoo Child. I know that song was in SYM but after that he got the Real american theme. I don't even think hogan kept using that on wwe tv for long either. IMO i think that's one reason why wcw was financially crippled. everytime hogan used that theme in wcw they had to pay the Hendrix Clan

And the fact that they paid lots of money for monster trucks in a main event. 

[the King Lives]

Classical music is ridiculously expensive to license, you have to pay the holder of the rights, plus you have to pay the performer. So 2K would have to pay whomever holds the rights to Richard Strauss. catalog, plus an orchestra who has already performed the song, or get an orchestra to perform it.

So obviously WWE's license doesn't stretch to video games, probably on both accounts. Plus as licensing is the only way to make money in classical music, both charge through the nose. So 2K is looking probably at $50,000+ for one song. I wouldn't pay either, and neither would WWE if they had a choice, this is the sole reason WWE doesn't use music like this for intros anymore.

Evolution wasn't in SYM to begin with. Plus, I would have thought  Also Sprach Zarathustra was public domain but after some research it was recorded too late to be in public domain.So you're right about it. 

 

I would have thought it would belong to the motion picture company behind 2001 A Space Odyssey - But WWE have used this same theme in DVD releases before as well. 

LOL

yeah pretty much. like i said thq had the license for 10 years but after that i assume that 2K just didn't want to pay all those royalties/fees to renew it which is understandable.

It also could have been the same with hogan, Jimi Hendrix and Voodoo Child. I know that song was in SYM but after that he got the Real american theme. I don't even think hogan kept using that on wwe tv for long either. IMO i think that's one reason why wcw was financially crippled. everytime hogan used that theme in wcw they had to pay the Hendrix Clan

And the fact that they paid lots of money for monster trucks in a main event. 

well that only happened in 96 and 97 i think but i mostly was referring to the theme song issue. hell they even got the american males from the saved by the bell college years theme. i didn't know that till someone pointed it out to me on youtube lol