Developer Q&A From ProTorch yesterday

[the King Lives]

 

Oh? It isn't opinionated that you think Yukes is the very main cause of why WWE 2K15 is bad? I didn't know you had inside knowledge on the design of these games, so I guess it must be fact.

You mean other than the fact that these games have been wholly developed by Yukes since its inception, only this year they have graphical tech from visual concepts. I don't know about you, but I guess it means Rockstar San Diego actually made most of this game, I mean what else have they been doing since Red Dead Redemption? 

 

May i interject for a second? 1. stop being an idiot 2.Visual concepts did more than just the visuals, just cause the name has the word Visual in it does not mean that's all they did.  They did the mo-capping the audio, and the graphics.  Your reasoning is completely flawed.

[Fozy]

 

 

Oh? It isn't opinionated that you think Yukes is the very main cause of why WWE 2K15 is bad? I didn't know you had inside knowledge on the design of these games, so I guess it must be fact.

You mean other than the fact that these games have been wholly developed by Yukes since its inception, only this year they have graphical tech from visual concepts. I don't know about you, but I guess it means Rockstar San Diego actually made most of this game, I mean what else have they been doing since Red Dead Redemption? 

 

May i interject for a second? 1. stop being an idiot 2.Visual concepts did more than just the visuals, just cause the name has the word Visual in it does not mean that's all they did.  They did the mo-capping the audio, and the graphics.  Your reasoning is completely flawed.

 

My reasoning is flawed because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If you think the majority of the game is in the audio and graphics, you're as thick as the dick you wished you had.

 

 

Again, i'm not disagreeing with you on Yukes being the main problem for all the other games, but I like to consider other logical possibilities for why THIS game is so much more restrained.

I don't know why you're condensing it down to this one game, it's not like much has changed in the last few iterations. By restrained, I'm assuming the lack of content. Obviously this is down to building the game on two generations, but once again, who are the developers who watered down the game? Oh that's right, Yukes. It doesn't take content to make a game good, if the fundamentals aren't there, then no matter how much you do to make it more attractive, you're still looking at shit.

[FrickinAwesome]

I don't know why you're condensing it down to this one game, it's not like much has changed in the last few iterations. By restrained, I'm assuming the lack of content. Obviously this is down to building the game on two generations, but once again, who are the developers who watered down the game? Oh that's right, Yukes. It doesn't take content to make a game good, if the fundamentals aren't there, then no matter how much you do to make it more attractive, you're still looking at shit.

 

Content is fundamental for these games. When you take away modes and creativity, then the game is less interesting.

[the King Lives]

 

 

 

Oh? It isn't opinionated that you think Yukes is the very main cause of why WWE 2K15 is bad? I didn't know you had inside knowledge on the design of these games, so I guess it must be fact.

You mean other than the fact that these games have been wholly developed by Yukes since its inception, only this year they have graphical tech from visual concepts. I don't know about you, but I guess it means Rockstar San Diego actually made most of this game, I mean what else have they been doing since Red Dead Redemption? 

 

May i interject for a second? 1. stop being an idiot 2.Visual concepts did more than just the visuals, just cause the name has the word Visual in it does not mean that's all they did.  They did the mo-capping the audio, and the graphics.  Your reasoning is completely flawed.

 

My reasoning is flawed because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If you think the majority of the game is in the audio and graphics, you're as thick as the dick you wished you had.

 

It's been said many times that Visual Concepts worked on the Audio, Graphics, Mocapping as well as the Creation Suite (everything caw mode, Edit a superstar, entrance, My Career is all visual concepts not yukes) The only thing yukes probably had a hand in was Online Universe and possibly the DLC and Showcase) Insulting me no matter how much you think it's going to make me upset won't change that.

[the King Lives]

 

I don't know why you're condensing it down to this one game, it's not like much has changed in the last few iterations. By restrained, I'm assuming the lack of content. Obviously this is down to building the game on two generations, but once again, who are the developers who watered down the game? Oh that's right, Yukes. It doesn't take content to make a game good, if the fundamentals aren't there, then no matter how much you do to make it more attractive, you're still looking at shit.

 

Content is fundamental for these games. When you take away modes and creativity, then the game is less interesting.

 

exactly.. Fozy is starting to remind me of that idiot on twitter that said he was fine with all the Creation features, match types, and match creator/entrance motions gone just cause he didn't use them.

[Fozy]

 

 

 

 

Oh? It isn't opinionated that you think Yukes is the very main cause of why WWE 2K15 is bad? I didn't know you had inside knowledge on the design of these games, so I guess it must be fact.

You mean other than the fact that these games have been wholly developed by Yukes since its inception, only this year they have graphical tech from visual concepts. I don't know about you, but I guess it means Rockstar San Diego actually made most of this game, I mean what else have they been doing since Red Dead Redemption? 

 

May i interject for a second? 1. stop being an idiot 2.Visual concepts did more than just the visuals, just cause the name has the word Visual in it does not mean that's all they did.  They did the mo-capping the audio, and the graphics.  Your reasoning is completely flawed.

 

My reasoning is flawed because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If you think the majority of the game is in the audio and graphics, you're as thick as the dick you wished you had.

 

It's been said many times that Visual Concepts worked on the Audio, Graphics, Mocapping as well as the Creation Suite (everything caw mode, Edit a superstar, entrance, My Career is all visual concepts not yukes) The only thing yukes probably had a hand in was Online Universe and possibly the DLC and Showcase) Insulting me no matter how much you think it's going to make me upset won't change that.

 

I would love if you can give me some evidence to back up these claims of yours, I have asked for this repeatedly in the past and it came down to me researching and posting solid proof of what VC actually worked on, and it was basically nothing that would change the game in any fundamental way. The audio hasn't changed, the graphics have been upgraded. However, it is all done under the Yukes systems, which have been constant for a very long time. Create-a-wrestler, arena, championship, move, finisher, whatever there is, is all Yukes developed.

 

The games are bad because the gameplay is bad, that hasn't changed. If you're going to try and blame the new, better animations which are, in your words, done by VC then you're defeating your own point. Considering the overall aesthetics have improved, but the game is still shit, then you're proving your own point.

[the King Lives]

I would love if you can give me some evidence to back up these claims of yours, I have asked for this repeatedly in the past and it came down to me researching and posting solid proof of what VC actually worked on, and it was basically nothing that would change the game in any fundamental way. The audio hasn't changed, the graphics have been upgraded. However, it is all done under the Yukes systems, which have been constant for a very long time. Create-a-wrestler, arena, championship, move, finisher, whatever there is, is all Yukes developed.

 

The games are bad because the gameplay is bad, that hasn't changed. If you're going to try and blame the new, better animations which are, in your words, done by VC then you're defeating your own point. Considering the overall aesthetics have improved, but the game is still shit, then you're proving your own point.

 

the gameplay obviously is not bad. it was bad in 08 and 09, 12 was a new engine whether you'd like to believe that or not. Visual concepts has a studio in Calif. not Yukes. Mocapping was done in calif. not Japan, Audio was done in Calif. Not Japan, Graphics was done in Calif. Not Japan. the only thing that really is bad about the game is the Tag AI, the fact that Stamina doesn't recharge while on the top rope, and the fact that My Career was a bust (a VC Feature not Yukes) The Game itself at it's core is actually good. but if you haven't liked the game series since like SVR11 or WWE12 and if you didn't like 2k14 then i really don't see why you would like 2k15 anyway. 2k15 would have been great if they left everything in and left career mode out.  It was more pointless than GM Mode.. but i'm just waiting on you to say something stupid like "Oh HCTP and SYM was the greatest game ever cause i could dive off a helicopter or go backstage with freeroaming" those days are over.. deal with it. only person you can get upset with over that is WWE. another thing that makes alot of people hate this series is the roster.  again that's wwe's fault.  I mentioned in 2013 when people started bitching about legends and double/triple models that if we didn't have these legends no one would have been added in it's place. No one listened to me.. well, you got your game with the current roster and hardly no legends.. You people will never be happy. Matter of fact it was either you or someone else that boldly stated that if 2K had the license that the game would be better than ever and that they should scrap everything and start from scratch.  Yet here we are having this same exact argument arbitrarily you seem to think that the gameplay sucks. Sorry but i don't want an UFC Clone. what's next WWETA? No thank you. This is why we can't get improvements because people like you complain about ABCDEFG Sucking and not looking at the bigger picture.  And no this is not me insulting you or attacking you just for the hell of it, I'm merely just stating a fact.

[Fozy]

 

I would love if you can give me some evidence to back up these claims of yours, I have asked for this repeatedly in the past and it came down to me researching and posting solid proof of what VC actually worked on, and it was basically nothing that would change the game in any fundamental way. The audio hasn't changed, the graphics have been upgraded. However, it is all done under the Yukes systems, which have been constant for a very long time. Create-a-wrestler, arena, championship, move, finisher, whatever there is, is all Yukes developed.

 

The games are bad because the gameplay is bad, that hasn't changed. If you're going to try and blame the new, better animations which are, in your words, done by VC then you're defeating your own point. Considering the overall aesthetics have improved, but the game is still shit, then you're proving your own point.

 

the gameplay obviously is not bad. it was bad in 08 and 09, 12 was a new engine whether you'd like to believe that or not. Visual concepts has a studio in Calif. not Yukes. Mocapping was done in calif. not Japan, Audio was done in Calif. Not Japan, Graphics was done in Calif. Not Japan. the only thing that really is bad about the game is the Tag AI, the fact that Stamina doesn't recharge while on the top rope, and the fact that My Career was a bust (a VC Feature not Yukes) The Game itself at it's core is actually good. but if you haven't liked the game series since like SVR11 or WWE12 and if you didn't like 2k14 then i really don't see why you would like 2k15 anyway. 2k15 would have been great if they left everything in and left career mode out.  It was more pointless than GM Mode.. but i'm just waiting on you to say something stupid like "Oh HCTP and SYM was the greatest game ever cause i could dive off a helicopter or go backstage with freeroaming" those days are over.. deal with it. only person you can get upset with over that is WWE. another thing that makes alot of people hate this series is the roster.  again that's wwe's fault.  I mentioned in 2013 when people started bitching about legends and double/triple models that if we didn't have these legends no one would have been added in it's place. No one listened to me.. well, you got your game with the current roster and hardly no legends.. You people will never be happy. Matter of fact it was either you or someone else that boldly stated that if 2K had the license that the game would be better than ever and that they should scrap everything and start from scratch.  Yet here we are having this same exact argument arbitrarily you seem to think that the gameplay sucks. Sorry but i don't want an UFC Clone. what's next WWETA? No thank you. This is why we can't get improvements because people like you complain about ABCDEFG Sucking and not looking at the bigger picture.  And no this is not me insulting you or attacking you just for the hell of it, I'm merely just stating a fact.

 

The gameplay is what I go into the games for, I don't care for the caw mode or anything, but I can appreciate it from a distance. There are flaws in the groundwork of the game that makes improving the game a hard concept. The gameplay isn't great. The flow of matches aren't 'realistic'. Devastating moves, and the likes are brushed off and ignored, the game is rotten with QTEs, the systems in the gameplay are terrible, e.g. collar and elbow tie-up, submissions, pinning. The AI is terrible, the fact that the game is built around the poor reversal mechanic is terrible.

 

Then there's other problems like the online always been dreadful. The lag is consistently garbage to play in, then you are capable of gaming the system by exploiting non-reversable moves, which just proves my earlier point. Load times are ridiculous, caw mode is bare bones, etc, etc, etc.

 

The games are just bad.

[AgeofSandow]

Fozy's argument should be sent to all the workers at Yukes.

Edited January 21, 2015 by AgeofSandow

[the King Lives]

 

 

I would love if you can give me some evidence to back up these claims of yours, I have asked for this repeatedly in the past and it came down to me researching and posting solid proof of what VC actually worked on, and it was basically nothing that would change the game in any fundamental way. The audio hasn't changed, the graphics have been upgraded. However, it is all done under the Yukes systems, which have been constant for a very long time. Create-a-wrestler, arena, championship, move, finisher, whatever there is, is all Yukes developed.

 

The games are bad because the gameplay is bad, that hasn't changed. If you're going to try and blame the new, better animations which are, in your words, done by VC then you're defeating your own point. Considering the overall aesthetics have improved, but the game is still shit, then you're proving your own point.

 

the gameplay obviously is not bad. it was bad in 08 and 09, 12 was a new engine whether you'd like to believe that or not. Visual concepts has a studio in Calif. not Yukes. Mocapping was done in calif. not Japan, Audio was done in Calif. Not Japan, Graphics was done in Calif. Not Japan. the only thing that really is bad about the game is the Tag AI, the fact that Stamina doesn't recharge while on the top rope, and the fact that My Career was a bust (a VC Feature not Yukes) The Game itself at it's core is actually good. but if you haven't liked the game series since like SVR11 or WWE12 and if you didn't like 2k14 then i really don't see why you would like 2k15 anyway. 2k15 would have been great if they left everything in and left career mode out.  It was more pointless than GM Mode.. but i'm just waiting on you to say something stupid like "Oh HCTP and SYM was the greatest game ever cause i could dive off a helicopter or go backstage with freeroaming" those days are over.. deal with it. only person you can get upset with over that is WWE. another thing that makes alot of people hate this series is the roster.  again that's wwe's fault.  I mentioned in 2013 when people started bitching about legends and double/triple models that if we didn't have these legends no one would have been added in it's place. No one listened to me.. well, you got your game with the current roster and hardly no legends.. You people will never be happy. Matter of fact it was either you or someone else that boldly stated that if 2K had the license that the game would be better than ever and that they should scrap everything and start from scratch.  Yet here we are having this same exact argument arbitrarily you seem to think that the gameplay sucks. Sorry but i don't want an UFC Clone. what's next WWETA? No thank you. This is why we can't get improvements because people like you complain about ABCDEFG Sucking and not looking at the bigger picture.  And no this is not me insulting you or attacking you just for the hell of it, I'm merely just stating a fact.

 

The gameplay is what I go into the games for, I don't care for the caw mode or anything, but I can appreciate it from a distance. There are flaws in the groundwork of the game that makes improving the game a hard concept. The gameplay isn't great. The flow of matches aren't 'realistic'. Devastating moves, and the likes are brushed off and ignored, the game is rotten with QTEs, the systems in the gameplay are terrible, e.g. collar and elbow tie-up, submissions, pinning. The AI is terrible, the fact that the game is built around the poor reversal mechanic is terrible.

 

Then there's other problems like the online always been dreadful. The lag is consistently garbage to play in, then you are capable of gaming the system by exploiting non-reversable moves, which just proves my earlier point. Load times are ridiculous, caw mode is bare bones, etc, etc, etc.

 

The games are just bad.

 

there's only 2 types of QTE (Comebacks and hot tags) as far as lag, it's not lag it's actually designed so that when you do a move you aren't grappling for air. Load times are long because of uncompressed files, caw mode is bare bones and i can't defend that at all.only thing i hate about the gameplay is the 2k14 gameplay was better.  If they had left it like that but left the chain grappling thing where it would only happen if 2 people grappled at the same time (like in 2k14) it would be alot better. So partially i understand where you're coming from but this is what i was afraid of the moment thq went under.  Everyone and their mamma wanted THQ to go under but let's face facts and call a spade a spade, 2k14 was a THQ product and that game all issues aside was a success. I really didn't see too many people complain about it. 13 and 15 was bad. Actually every other game since WWE 12 was bad. 12 was good, 13 was bad, 14 was great, 15 was well mediocre. So hopefully 16 will be a major improvement and not another disappointment.

 

That said, i'm still not preordering unless the selling point this year is the creation suite and match types

[Fozy]

there's only 2 types of QTE (Comebacks and hot tags) as far as lag, it's not lag it's actually designed so that when you do a move you aren't grappling for air. Load times are long because of uncompressed files, caw mode is bare bones and i can't defend that at all.only thing i hate about the gameplay is the 2k14 gameplay was better.  If they had left it like that but left the chain grappling thing where it would only happen if 2 people grappled at the same time (like in 2k14) it would be alot better. So partially i understand where you're coming from but this is what i was afraid of the moment thq went under.  Everyone and their mamma wanted THQ to go under but let's face facts and call a spade a spade, 2k14 was a THQ product and that game all issues aside was a success. I really didn't see too many people complain about it. 13 and 15 was bad. Actually every other game since WWE 12 was bad. 12 was good, 13 was bad, 14 was great, 15 was well mediocre. So hopefully 16 will be a major improvement and not another disappointment.

 

That said, i'm still not preordering unless the selling point this year is the creation suite and match types

I'm not quite understanding your lag reasoning, either way, it's not fun. Other games are have more demanding online, and they can run almost flawlessly, this is just bad netcode and design. Load times are long because of uncompressed files? So their optimisation is also terrible, what are they actually good at?

[the King Lives]

 

there's only 2 types of QTE (Comebacks and hot tags) as far as lag, it's not lag it's actually designed so that when you do a move you aren't grappling for air. Load times are long because of uncompressed files, caw mode is bare bones and i can't defend that at all.only thing i hate about the gameplay is the 2k14 gameplay was better.  If they had left it like that but left the chain grappling thing where it would only happen if 2 people grappled at the same time (like in 2k14) it would be alot better. So partially i understand where you're coming from but this is what i was afraid of the moment thq went under.  Everyone and their mamma wanted THQ to go under but let's face facts and call a spade a spade, 2k14 was a THQ product and that game all issues aside was a success. I really didn't see too many people complain about it. 13 and 15 was bad. Actually every other game since WWE 12 was bad. 12 was good, 13 was bad, 14 was great, 15 was well mediocre. So hopefully 16 will be a major improvement and not another disappointment.

 

That said, i'm still not preordering unless the selling point this year is the creation suite and match types

I'm not quite understanding your lag reasoning, either way, it's not fun. Other games are have more demanding online, and they can run almost flawlessly, this is just bad netcode and design. Load times are long because of uncompressed files? So their optimisation is also terrible, what are they actually good at?

 

oh i didn't know you were referring to online, i thought you were referring to when you attempt to pin, or grapple the character waits for the person to stop selling or get up.that's what i was referring to. As far as what i heard, the uncompression is what limited us to 25 caws and why the load times were so long which is certainly plausible since Smackdown 2 was like that. (from what i remember) but as far as the lag thing if it's an online thing then yeah that's definitely bad code and design. Which actually has been bad for years (atleast since svr10) so i totally agree with you there. all this stuff was VC/2K's ideas i'm sure. 2K loves doing experimentation with their series. They did it in NBA2K and they've done it in MLB 2k and it backfired in the Baseball games terribly. That's one reason i wasn't really on the 2k bandwagon because i know that the VC team that's working on the WWEGames is in fact the same team that worked on MLB2k. and Mark Little is the creative director leftover from that franchise.  It's really sad if you look at it that way. And i mean this in the nicest way possible: I'm really glad i'm not an online type player cause i know how frustrating all the online issues can be.

[Fozy]

Lets just hope next year's game is an actual massive improvement that the franchise and this generation deserves.

[the King Lives]

Lets just hope next year's game is an actual massive improvement that the franchise and this generation deserves.

don't you mean this year's? LOL although i'm all for waiting another year for 2k16 to be honest.  But yeah 2k15 imo was sort of a cash grab no matter what 2k q&a people say.  They could have done way better than that.

[The Ritty]

I'm never buying this shit game again. Warrior showcase at mania? Fuck that. I haven't played this game except for ONCE since I bought it. I've had it with this shit. Done, done and done. Never again.

[The Ritty]

Lets just hope next year's game is an actual massive improvement that the franchise and this generation deserves.

 People like you (and me for that matter) need to STOP buying into this shitty franchise year after year. I should never have bought an xbox one. Never. The graphics weren't that much of an improvement. I'd have been better off modding my system and using mod packs to have a game with the rosters from the last 3 games. We're all just gonna keep getting shit, year after year. Just shit. I'm out - no more money from me wwe.

[WrestleManiaEdits]

Aww... Look! A kitty!

[the King Lives]

 

Lets just hope next year's game is an actual massive improvement that the franchise and this generation deserves.

 People like you (and me for that matter) need to STOP buying into this shitty franchise year after year. I should never have bought an xbox one. Never. The graphics weren't that much of an improvement. I'd have been better off modding my system and using mod packs to have a game with the rosters from the last 3 games. We're all just gonna keep getting shit, year after year. Just shit. I'm out - no more money from me wwe.

 

well that makes you the dumb idiot that bought an xbox one of all systems for 1 game that wasn't even solidified last gen. so from my observation  1. you got the wrong system.  WWEGames are being developed on PS4 this gen and ported to X1 so you will more than lkely always have more issues than ps4 just like ps3 had more issues last gen than 360. 2. There are plenty of other games you can get. If you only game for 1 game especially a wrestling game you should have waited till the PC version was released but hey, just go ahead and bash the series.

[Fozy]

Lets just hope next year's game is an actual massive improvement that the franchise and this generation deserves.

People like you (and me for that matter) need to STOP buying into this shitty franchise year after year. I should never have bought an xbox one. Never. The graphics weren't that much of an improvement. I'd have been better off modding my system and using mod packs to have a game with the rosters from the last 3 games. We're all just gonna keep getting shit, year after year. Just shit. I'm out - no more money from me wwe.

I bought 2k14, my first in several years. Haven't bothered with 2k15.

[zhigge]

i bought it for ps4 and the 360. and i spend more time on the 360(mainly due to modding). the next gen came too quick (drums clap). Not really any graphical difference worth talking about.. sadly i believe the 360/ps4 would have been better than the nexxt gen if they kept the other stuff like entrances and music in.