Ideal Legends in WWE 2K15

[AgeofSandow]

@RatedRLionTamer:  What else would you call it?  WWE developmental, NXT is comparable to being a "busch league" for WWE.  Seriously, you hardcore WWE marks need to stop being so sensitive.  The fact is these "nostalgic modes" or "legends" are well established household names and NXT is not.  Whining about it will not change anything.....

and how does something become established? through exposure. put in the big legends and then put in NXT. All done.

[the King Lives]

I agree 100% with Righteous on this one.  Despite the whole "legends vs. current roster" debate, casual fans will always gravitate towards big names and not jobbers.  Hell, some older fans who have stopped watching the current WWE product might buy the game just because Sting is the pre-order bonus.  I like the current guys and think some of them have much potential.  But WWE cannot make a new star and stick with them to save their lives!  Which is why they always have to rely on part timer legends for the TV product or using legends in video games. 

@AgeofSandow:  I know you want to put over how much you love NXT.  And that is admirable.  But NXT isn't well known enough to put out there in favor of other older well established stars.  WWE can always use the NXT/current WWE talents for the main roster and then use legends for whatever themed mode they go with.

yeah my best friend since child hood bought wwe13 solely cause it featured the attitude era..

[the King Lives]

As long as they don't put Retro versions of current stars as seperate slots I don't care. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see NXT talent in, but there should be more current stars then legends. Say we're going for a 60 man roster. We could go 30-30 or 40-20. 3 dlc packs, a modern pack (with guys who barely missed cut off date, a legends pack (for the legends fans), and an NXT pack. (For the future.) The tag line should be "Then, Now, Forever" with each represented. Then (legends), Now (current), Forever (NXT)

after the issues i had with 2k14's universe making bald taker appear in cutscenes, we better get separate slots for retro superstars, i don't like picking WM23 taker to be the default, only to see current taker interfering in matches and appearing in cutscenes, same goes for current kane vs superstar heads bald kane on the same slot

[Tamer™]

 

As long as they don't put Retro versions of current stars as seperate slots I don't care. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see NXT talent in, but there should be more current stars then legends. Say we're going for a 60 man roster. We could go 30-30 or 40-20. 3 dlc packs, a modern pack (with guys who barely missed cut off date, a legends pack (for the legends fans), and an NXT pack. (For the future.) The tag line should be "Then, Now, Forever" with each represented. Then (legends), Now (current), Forever (NXT)

after the issues i had with 2k14's universe making bald taker appear in cutscenes, we better get separate slots for retro superstars, i don't like picking WM23 taker to be the default, only to see current taker interfering in matches and appearing in cutscenes, same goes for current kane vs superstar heads bald kane on the same slot

 

That's just a glitch that 2K should solve themselves rather than wasting space.

[best in the world]

@RatedRLionTamer:  And I am tired of this whole debate about legends vs. current roster!  People can complain all they want to, but the fact remains that these "legends" actually were legit stars who fans paid to see.  WWE cannot produce a star these days, which is why they have to use a big name legend as a pre-order bonus hook.  NXT is not a major ground for making legit stars, at least not yet anyway.  OVW produced more stars back around 2002 onward than NXT likely ever will.  The only exception I see to that rule is maybe Seth Rollins. 

 

@AgeofSandow:  The problem these days is that WWE has lost the art of making a true star that people are interested in.  How many times have they pushed someone only to halt that said push and kill their momentum?  As far as NXT goes, I have seen nothing that really grabs me and stands out.  No real stars.  Maybe with time and the right push/gimmick, there will be future stars out of there.  When I watch NXT I am objectively watching and hoping there are potential talents who take us, the audience, by the throats and take us on a ride.  Do something to make themselves stars and launch themselves up to WWE's main roster.  Again, all I see are talented people with flat personalities and no ambition.  No need to be the number one guy.  Ever wondered why the older eras in WWE are more popular?  You had legit stars who all wanted to be the number one guys/gals in the company and busted their asses to get there.  Some died trying.  You don't see that kind of effort in today's WWE product.

 

Again, this is all subjective and my own personal view on it.  I'm sure there are those who are utterly outraged with that point of view and that's fine.  The world would be a boring ass place if we all agreed on every single issue. 

[Tamer™]

Daniel Bryan was created by NXT too, and he's a 4 time World Champion. Barrett also created by NXT and he's a 4 time IC Champion. Dean and Roman both spent their fair share of time on NXT, and one of them is already a Main-Eventer along with the other being guaranteed a future. One of the things that caught the fans eyes about Cesaro was his match at NXT Arrival, now he's most likely to walk out with the IC Title at Battleground and his career will go even further. The Wyatt Family, also NXT Product and look at how their careers are going. NXT will likely create stars even better than what OVW ever produced.

[AgeofSandow]

@RatedRLionTamer:  And I am tired of this whole debate about legends vs. current roster!  People can complain all they want to, but the fact remains that these "legends" actually were legit stars who fans paid to see.  WWE cannot produce a star these days, which is why they have to use a big name legend as a pre-order bonus hook.  NXT is not a major ground for making legit stars, at least not yet anyway.  OVW produced more stars back around 2002 onward than NXT likely ever will.  The only exception I see to that rule is maybe Seth Rollins. 

 

@AgeofSandow:  The problem these days is that WWE has lost the art of making a true star that people are interested in.  How many times have they pushed someone only to halt that said push and kill their momentum?  As far as NXT goes, I have seen nothing that really grabs me and stands out.  No real stars.  Maybe with time and the right push/gimmick, there will be future stars out of there.  When I watch NXT I am objectively watching and hoping there are potential talents who take us, the audience, by the throats and take us on a ride.  Do something to make themselves stars and launch themselves up to WWE's main roster.  Again, all I see are talented people with flat personalities and no ambition.  No need to be the number one guy.  Ever wondered why the older eras in WWE are more popular?  You had legit stars who all wanted to be the number one guys/gals in the company and busted their asses to get there.  Some died trying.  You don't see that kind of effort in today's WWE product.

 

Again, this is all subjective and my own personal view on it.  I'm sure there are those who are utterly outraged with that point of view and that's fine.  The world would be a boring ass place if we all agreed on every single issue. 

older eras were more popular because there weren't annoying sponsors that completely watered everything down. Even the 80s were better.  How exactly can some people get excited when they're in front of disrespectful commentators(thanks Vince. you ruined them completely), have to always do comedy segments or job, or not appear at all?  The people are not the problem. The company IS the problem.  Anyway, let's just get both NXT and legends in the game.  Even if I have to get season pass for NXT, I'll take it.

[OLD ACCOUNT]

Daniel Bryan was created by NXT too, and he's a 4 time World Champion. Barrett also created by NXT and he's a 4 time IC Champion. Dean and Roman both spent their fair share of time on NXT, and one of them is already a Main-Eventer along with the other being guaranteed a future. One of the things that caught the fans eyes about Cesaro was his match at NXT Arrival, now he's most likely to walk out with the IC Title at Battleground and his career will go even further. The Wyatt Family, also NXT Product and look at how their careers are going. NXT will likely create stars even better than what OVW ever produced.

I'm with this guy. NXT is awesome!

[best in the world]

@RatedRLionTamer:  Daniel Bryan was NOT created by NXT.  He made a name for himself on the indy circuit, training with HBK, and in ROH primarily.  So WWE cannot take credit for creating Bryan and suggesting such is oblivious and shows how low you'll sink to justify NXT.  I haven't been watching NXT but maybe two or three months, but I am fairly sure I read somewhere that Dean was in FCW not NXT.  Not sure about Roman, so I cannot say.  Cesaro is another wrong assumption, as he too came from ROH and indies.  And don't get me started on the Wyatt Family!!  They are the prime example of why I consider most wrestling fans[WWE marks more especially] to be mindless sheep who will follow anybody WWE produces whether it is good or not.  What has any of the Wyatt Family done?  What accomplishments have they done?  What breakout moments can be attributed to them?  Like I said, I look at NXT and see potential but I also see a bunch of people who are scared to take control of their own careers and become stars.  They'd rather be stuck in the middle or lower card and personality is gone these days.  No real stars and no larger than life personalities.  Which is why you'll never win the NXT vs. legends debate because it is a different breed from a different era that today's talents cannot come close to achieving because of the WWE machine and their failures to make stars......

[Tamer™]

@RatedRLionTamer:  Daniel Bryan was NOT created by NXT.  

I know of his Indy work, practically everyone worked on the Indies but where I ask did he get his first exposure with the fans in WWE? On NXT,  even legend fans want some sort of career mode rather than the same old sh*t, it's getting annoying and it's not how to move forward, it's just clinging onto the past unnecessarily.

[UndertakerWLF]

I'm a legends fan , but I think the game should have an equal balance of 50/50 it gives both the fans of the current era and the past eras a roster to play about with..

 

However from a selling point legends will sell the game more than the current gen of stars will, this isnt a fault with the current stars as its the companys fault for not pushing them and putting them in the right angles.

[fufu ÷]

I wouldn't mind if they were legends who still appear occasionally. Like The Rock, Austin, Flair, Foley, possibly a 2000's Hogan. That'd basically rule out anyone who's dead, which is a good thing.

[the King Lives]

 

 

As long as they don't put Retro versions of current stars as seperate slots I don't care. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see NXT talent in, but there should be more current stars then legends. Say we're going for a 60 man roster. We could go 30-30 or 40-20. 3 dlc packs, a modern pack (with guys who barely missed cut off date, a legends pack (for the legends fans), and an NXT pack. (For the future.) The tag line should be "Then, Now, Forever" with each represented. Then (legends), Now (current), Forever (NXT)

after the issues i had with 2k14's universe making bald taker appear in cutscenes, we better get separate slots for retro superstars, i don't like picking WM23 taker to be the default, only to see current taker interfering in matches and appearing in cutscenes, same goes for current kane vs superstar heads bald kane on the same slot

 

That's just a glitch that 2K should solve themselves rather than wasting space.

 

i'm actually not sure whether it was a glitch or a design oversight.. then again we all know about the moves/entrances reset when you copy a caw lol

well i really hope they fix that.  Having bald taker running down the ring was bad enough but to have him run in for when i'm using 08 or 09 taker was even worse lol.  I really felt that long haired taker's superstar head should have been tied to retro taker's model only because that was the only model that got the paul bearer entrance and that version had long hair lol

[AgeofSandow]

Speaking of Undertaker, we need this version...

 

ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING

[the King Lives]

Speaking of Undertaker, we need this version...

 

ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING

no thank you... i hated that gimmick plus that would mean fred durst would be in the game again and i never want to see that little imp again

[The 4th Doctor]

 

Speaking of Undertaker, we need this version...

 

ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING

no thank you... i hated that gimmick plus that would mean fred durst would be in the game again and i never want to see that little imp again

 

agreed you got Biker Taker as dlc in 2k14 just put the rollin theme on your xbox. Deadman gimmick is better than shitty ABA taker

[AgeofSandow]

 

 

Speaking of Undertaker, we need this version...

 

ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING

no thank you... i hated that gimmick plus that would mean fred durst would be in the game again and i never want to see that little imp again

 

agreed you got Biker Taker as dlc in 2k14 just put the rollin theme on your xbox. Deadman gimmick is better than shitty ABA taker

 

Why don't you like that? He was so cool then.

[The 4th Doctor]

Biker taker was generic guy riding a Motorcycle to the ring it had nothing on the mysterious lord of darkness taker gimmick/deadman gimmick

[AgeofSandow]

Biker taker was generic guy riding a Motorcycle to the ring it had nothing on the mysterious lord of darkness taker gimmick/deadman gimmick

The old Taker got boring and the newer taker was a badass.

[SassySlothh]

I'm fine with there being legends, as long as theres no duplicates or they aren't taking over the roster. I'm fine with them being DLC though.

[the King Lives]

 

 

 

Speaking of Undertaker, we need this version...

 

ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING

no thank you... i hated that gimmick plus that would mean fred durst would be in the game again and i never want to see that little imp again

 

agreed you got Biker Taker as dlc in 2k14 just put the rollin theme on your xbox. Deadman gimmick is better than shitty ABA taker

 

Why don't you like that? He was so cool then.

 

i just think he was the best around mania 14, I really didn't like his ministry of darkness gimmick either.  and like 4th doctor said, just add the theme, that's what i did.  Now if they had added brothers of destruction kane (with the singlet flamed attire) along with aba taker, i would have been okay with it.  It was just that time aba taker kept feuding with kane for no reason.  I still remember that summerslam match lol

[AgeofSandow]

 

 

 

 

Speaking of Undertaker, we need this version...

 

ROLLING ROLLING ROLLING

no thank you... i hated that gimmick plus that would mean fred durst would be in the game again and i never want to see that little imp again

 

agreed you got Biker Taker as dlc in 2k14 just put the rollin theme on your xbox. Deadman gimmick is better than shitty ABA taker

 

Why don't you like that? He was so cool then.

 

i just think he was the best around mania 14, I really didn't like his ministry of darkness gimmick either.  and like 4th doctor said, just add the theme, that's what i did.  Now if they had added brothers of destruction kane (with the singlet flamed attire) along with aba taker, i would have been okay with it.  It was just that time aba taker kept feuding with kane for no reason.  I still remember that summerslam match lol

 

Didn't need to feud with his brother a million times, agreeable. I liked his "I don't give a damn" attitude and The Last Ride in general.

[the King Lives]

^yeah man there was no need for all of that and yeah i did like the last ride as a finisher, but hated that when they banned the tombstone, he and kane would tease it by hitting the tombstone clutch and then turning it into a running powerslam lol

[best in the world]

@RatedRLionTamer:  Daniel Bryan may have been exposed to WWE fans on NXT, but his real exposure to casual fans wasn't until he debuted alongside the Nexus.  So once again, an inaccurate representation.  As much as you claim some fans are tired of legends, there are equally as many who have long since stopped watching the WWE product.  Why?  Because WWE cannot make new stars.  And by "stars", I mean real personalities and not cookie cutter generic jobbers that WWE produces in NXT these days.  All I see when I watch NXT are talents happy with mediocrity and talents not being real.  Therein lies the fault in wanting NXT to be used in a mode.  No casual gamers will pay for a game with no name jobbers in a themed mode.  All the major gaming outlets praised both WWE '13 and 2K14 for the nostalgic themes they used.  Ever wondered why?  It was a better time in wrestling and one which we'll probably never see the likes of again.

 

@AgeofSandow:  I preferred ABA Taker to Deadman myself.  Deadman had cool moments but as ABA Taker he had epic promos and he reinvented himself as a character closer to reality.  Sorry, the whole "I'll take your soul" deadman thing isn't reality based especially when he is in his 50s today.  At least as a biker he had personality.  Now it's back to "rest in peace".  Not much of a comparison in my view.

[AgeofSandow]

@RatedRLionTamer:  Daniel Bryan may have been exposed to WWE fans on NXT, but his real exposure to casual fans wasn't until he debuted alongside the Nexus.  So once again, an inaccurate representation.  As much as you claim some fans are tired of legends, there are equally as many who have long since stopped watching the WWE product.  Why?  Because WWE cannot make new stars.  And by "stars", I mean real personalities and not cookie cutter generic jobbers that WWE produces in NXT these days.  All I see when I watch NXT are talents happy with mediocrity and talents not being real.  Therein lies the fault in wanting NXT to be used in a mode.  No casual gamers will pay for a game with no name jobbers in a themed mode.  All the major gaming outlets praised both WWE '13 and 2K14 for the nostalgic themes they used.  Ever wondered why?  It was a better time in wrestling and one which we'll probably never see the likes of again.

 

@AgeofSandow:  I preferred ABA Taker to Deadman myself.  Deadman had cool moments but as ABA Taker he had epic promos and he reinvented himself as a character closer to reality.  Sorry, the whole "I'll take your soul" deadman thing isn't reality based especially when he is in his 50s today.  At least as a biker he had personality.  Now it's back to "rest in peace".  Not much of a comparison in my view.

ABA was him in real life, so that's why I think it worked. Besides, it was too sweet for anyone to resist.

 

For NXT, I say give it a shot. Compromise between legends and NXT. They can always put more NXT and legends as dlc packs as well... and not jobber legends, please.