Something for you guys tonight

[Koolgus]

*Takes Ps3 and goes into corner crying* Great stuff brien you xbox guys are so lucky to have him on your side.

Edited February 16, 2013 by koolgus

[kidsampson]

That el buvor dude's not too shabby either. He's probably the one that's likely to make the most effective use of these tools.

[El Buvor]

That el buvor dude's not too shabby either. He's probably the one that's likely to make the most effective use of these tools.

Who said I was ? I'm interested by that. That sort of guys who can't pull their fingers out of their fat asses and can't even try to do things in this game by themselves without crying on the forums.

Edited February 16, 2013 by El Buvor

[KREATIV]

I am going to make a separate program for adding DLC and modifying models. I was originally going to have it all in one program, but I think this program will just stick with working on PAC files, and my next program will help with modifying models and adding DLC.

For this I´m waiting for years.

[brienj]

For this I´m waiting for years.

You and me both. Especially the modifying models, as making DLC is easy to do, even without any program I make. Unfortunately, I really do need my program made, so I can start modifying the models, as doing that by hand is a lot more complex. We have plenty of time though. The next game won't even come out for about 8 - 9 months, and probably half of that time will be me working on the program and getting it to the level where it's totally idiot proof. So I dope you aren't planning on it coming out anytime soon. My PAC Archiver will however come out sooner than later, and is the next thing I WILL work hard to finish and release in a timely manner. The model program however is going to be a LONG time coming, so if anyone is just sitting around waiting for that, expect a lot of waiting.

Edited February 16, 2013 by brienj

[Miztah Raza]

You and me both. Especially the modifying models, as making DLC is easy to do, even without any program I make. Unfortunately, I really do need my program made, so I can start modifying the models, as doing that by hand is a lot more complex. We have plenty of time though. The next game won't even come out for about 8 - 9 months, and probably half of that time will be me working on the program and getting it to the level where it's totally idiot proof. So I dope you aren't planning on it coming out anytime soon. My PAC Archiver will however come out sooner than later, and is the next thing I WILL work hard to finish and release in a timely manner. The model program however is going to be a LONG time coming, so if anyone is just sitting around waiting for that, expect a lot of waiting.

Waiting, waiting is not too big of an issue for me. Also, you should, nobody can make idiot-proof stuff. There's always going to be one person that can't figure how to make the simplest thing work! I mean, your CAW Editor is like the most easy-to-use thing in world, you did everything possible to make sure even idiots could use this easily, you went as far as adding an automatic resigner! Yet, there are still a bunch of people that can't figure it out! You should try to make it as easy-to-use as possible, not idiot-proof

[KREATIV]

You and me both. Especially the modifying models, as making DLC is easy to do, even without any program I make. Unfortunately, I really do need my program made, so I can start modifying the models, as doing that by hand is a lot more complex. We have plenty of time though. The next game won't even come out for about 8 - 9 months, and probably half of that time will be me working on the program and getting it to the level where it's totally idiot proof. So I dope you aren't planning on it coming out anytime soon. My PAC Archiver will however come out sooner than later, and is the next thing I WILL work hard to finish and release in a timely manner. The model program however is going to be a LONG time coming, so if anyone is just sitting around waiting for that, expect a lot of waiting.

I tried to create DLC with Le Fluffie but it didn´t work.

[brienj]

I tried to create DLC with Le Fluffie but it didn´t work.

Yep. You need to use XLAST if you really want to make DLC that is guaranteed to work. DLC is one thing that LeFluffie just doesn't do well, and I've never got it to work, and is actually more hassle than using XLAST, which itself is a major pain in the ass to use.

[nsieniski]

You and me both. Especially the modifying models, as making DLC is easy to do, even without any program I make. Unfortunately, I really do need my program made, so I can start modifying the models, as doing that by hand is a lot more complex. We have plenty of time though. The next game won't even come out for about 8 - 9 months, and probably half of that time will be me working on the program and getting it to the level where it's totally idiot proof. So I dope you aren't planning on it coming out anytime soon. My PAC Archiver will however come out sooner than later, and is the next thing I WILL work hard to finish and release in a timely manner. The model program however is going to be a LONG time coming, so if anyone is just sitting around waiting for that, expect a lot of waiting.

Well, that's pretty disappointing. I can't imagine working on the models in summer. Starting modding the game almost 10 months after its release... (cos' just doing a texture job on actual ingame wrestlers is just limited on not even fun after a while without modifying the meshes).

I basically don't use my xbox at that period of time (summer... you know... real life outside, family and everything...). And after that... the next game will be out three or four months later.

I'm not sure I will be modding the game for months after the new Game will be already out (depending on the new product quality).

So I disagree here buddy, we don't have plenty of time. The game has been out for 4 months alread and now, I know that I will Have to wait another 4 or 5 months to seriously start real modding.

I really wanted to work on the model cos it's the only way to make wreslters that aren't in the game (caws sucks big time).

So Brienj, without talking about modifying the models in Max, will we be able at least to import older models from past games?

That would be really great while we all wait for the final release of your tool bro.

If we all have to wait 4 or 5 month to do so, I'm afraid the modding experience of WWE13 is going to die pretty fast.

I'm not questionning the time and work you put on your tools (I thanked you many time for that on those very same forums) but you have been making people wait for months (nobody can deny that there is a lot of anticipation since you announced you were working on your tools) and now you telling us that wey might get it in july or something.

I'm disappointed cos' the expectation of what is possible with your tools was the only thing making still play the game.

I dont' know for the other people but knowing that I will be able to REALLY mod the game (again not only tetxure stuff, I can already do that), 10 months after it's out is quite a let down for me.

What I just wrote is of course adressed to Brienj,

No disrespect but on that forum, I keep seeing people getting out of line and just posting for the sake of posting. Everybody has an opinion but for now, that's Brienj's that matter to me.

Thank you

[OverTheEdge]

Really, dude? The guy's taking his own personal time to create something for all of us. He's by no means obligated to do it, let alone even share it if he does. I think he can take as much time as he needs. Sure, it'd be nice to have it sooner than that (obviously), but if that's how long he needs to do it, then that's a. how long it's going to take and b. how long we're going to have to wait for it. End of. You can either deal with that or, if you think it can be done so much quicker, try doing it yourself. Hell, some things I'm planning to do with my show would greatly benefit from being able to edit the models or import past ones, but I'm not going to whine about not being able to if it's not as soon as I'd like. Yeah, I'm sure I'm coming across as a dick, but that kind of impatience/false sense of entitlement not only comes across as extremely rude but annoying as hell to see as well.

Edited February 16, 2013 by OverTheEdge

[zhigge]

Well, that's pretty disappointing. I can't imagine working on the models in summer. Starting modding the game almost 10 months after its release... (cos' just doing a texture job on actual ingame wrestlers is just limited on not even fun after a while without modifying the meshes).

I basically don't use my xbox at that period of time (summer... you know... real life outside, family and everything...). And after that... the next game will be out three or four months later.

I'm not sure I will be modding the game for months after the new Game will be already out (depending on the new product quality).

So I disagree here buddy, we don't have plenty of time. The game has been out for 4 months alread and now, I know that I will Have to wait another 4 or 5 months to seriously start real modding.

I really wanted to work on the model cos it's the only way to make wreslters that aren't in the game (caws sucks big time).

So Brienj, without talking about modifying the models in Max, will we be able at least to import older models from past games?

That would be really great while we all wait for the final release of your tool bro.

If we all have to wait 4 or 5 month to do so, I'm afraid the modding experience of WWE13 is going to die pretty fast.

I'm not questionning the time and work you put on your tools (I thanked you many time for that on those very same forums) but you have been making people wait for months (nobody can deny that there is a lot of anticipation since you announced you were working on your tools) and now you telling us that wey might get it in july or something.

I'm disappointed cos' the expectation of what is possible with your tools was the only thing making still play the game.

I dont' know for the other people but knowing that I will be able to REALLY mod the game (again not only tetxure stuff, I can already do that), 10 months after it's out is quite a let down for me.

What I just wrote is of course adressed to Brienj,

No disrespect but on that forum, I keep seeing people getting out of line and just posting for the sake of posting. Everybody has an opinion but for now, that's Brienj's that matter to me.

Thank you

Well put sir. but again it boils down to what brien wants as it is HIS program. I too only want to add older wrestlers but unless i learn to mod its not happening. not addressed to brien.. but why not just promote the tools when it is done and that will kill alot of the anticipation and false expecations of the people who only read what they want to. I see this happen on many forums developers say hey i'm going to add so and so and 20 seconds after its said the "how long will it take" threads begin. At least he didn't put in a date that would be horrific.. sadly this is how things always happen regarding brien.. nobody respects his time and then turn on him i see it EVERY year he has made tools. then when he doesnt make one everyone is all we sure miss him lol. priceless.. bottom line we will get something eventually so patience is a virute we must learn and respect of time as well.

Edited February 16, 2013 by zhigge

[nsieniski]

Really, dude? The guy's taking his own personal time to create something for all of us. He's by no means obligated to do it, let alone even share it if he does. I think he can take as much time as he needs. Sure, it'd be nice to have it sooner than that (obviously), but if that's how long he needs to do it, then that's a. how long it's going to take and b. how long we're going to have to wait for it. End of. You can either deal with that or, if you think it can be done so much quicker, try doing it yourself. Hell, some things I'm planning to do with my show would greatly benefit from being able to edit the models or import past ones, but I'm not going to whine about not being able to if it's not as soon as I'd like. Yeah, I'm sure I'm coming across as a dick, but that kind of impatience/false sense of entitlement not only comes across as extremely rude but annoying as hell to see as well.

Ok, let's make it short this time, your post is exactly what I was talking about...

I just wrote (maybe you should read it again) that I WAS (you don't have to be) disapointed. Freedom of speech you know.

And by the way, I have a pretty clear idea of the time that it takes to make a program work. I work in the videogame industry meaning I work with programers and I have a great deal of respect for those guys. Believe me. I've never work on a game that took less than2 years to finalize. I respect Brienj too and I'm aware that it already took a lot fo his time. Never questionned that.

Thank you for sharing your opinion...

[brienj]

Well, that's pretty disappointing. I can't imagine working on the models in summer. Starting modding the game almost 10 months after its release... (cos' just doing a texture job on actual ingame wrestlers is just limited on not even fun after a while without modifying the meshes).

I basically don't use my xbox at that period of time (summer... you know... real life outside, family and everything...). And after that... the next game will be out three or four months later.

I'm not sure I will be modding the game for months after the new Game will be already out (depending on the new product quality).

So I disagree here buddy, we don't have plenty of time. The game has been out for 4 months alread and now, I know that I will Have to wait another 4 or 5 months to seriously start real modding.

I really wanted to work on the model cos it's the only way to make wreslters that aren't in the game (caws sucks big time).

So Brienj, without talking about modifying the models in Max, will we be able at least to import older models from past games?

That would be really great while we all wait for the final release of your tool bro.

If we all have to wait 4 or 5 month to do so, I'm afraid the modding experience of WWE13 is going to die pretty fast.

I'm not questionning the time and work you put on your tools (I thanked you many time for that on those very same forums) but you have been making people wait for months (nobody can deny that there is a lot of anticipation since you announced you were working on your tools) and now you telling us that wey might get it in july or something.

I'm disappointed cos' the expectation of what is possible with your tools was the only thing making still play the game.

I dont' know for the other people but knowing that I will be able to REALLY mod the game (again not only tetxure stuff, I can already do that), 10 months after it's out is quite a let down for me.

What I just wrote is of course adressed to Brienj,

No disrespect but on that forum, I keep seeing people getting out of line and just posting for the sake of posting. Everybody has an opinion but for now, that's Brienj's that matter to me.

Thank you

Did you get the game way early or something? It's just now barely been out 3 and a half months, two weeks extra is a lot of time, not even close to 4 months, although people were saying the game was out 3 months, back in January, so ...

Just the fact you say it's been out 4 months, shows that you should just totally forget that any model hacking is coming, and concentrate on something else, as you will just be disappointed. i can't help anyone with patience, or people that want it right now, that's not the way I operate, or ever operate, and every time I do, it turns out like shit. I'm taking my time, I'm doing it right, and I'm making it easy for people to do. I'm not creating any mistakes or headaches on this.

[nsieniski]

Thank you for answering Brienj. So no model import from older game anytime soon?. Ok.

Just the fact you say it's been out 4 months, shows that you should just totally forget that any model hacking is coming, and concentrate on something else, as you will just be disappointed

Well, sorry, but I don't get that one.

It seems that it's getting almost impossible to express an opinion on a forum nowadays and that's sad.

The feedback are always negatives and pretty often agressives.

I won't post anything more related to my post, I was saying that I was disapointed... no attacks, no reproaches... well no bad intentions and it was certainly not rude.

Edited February 16, 2013 by nsieniski

[brienj]

Thank you for answering Brienj. So no model import from older game anytime soon?. Ok.

Just the fact you say it's been out 4 months, shows that you should just totally forget that any model hacking is coming, and concentrate on something else, as you will just be disappointed

Well, sorry, but I don't get that one.

It seems that it's getting almost impossible to express an opinion on a forum nowadays and that's sad.

The feedback are always negatives and pretty often agressives.

I won't post anything more related to my post, I was saying that I was disapointed... no attacks, no reproaches... well no bad intentions.

I know, and I was telling you not to expect anything, so you won't be disappointed, but it has NOT been out 4 months. Maybe people just can't add or something, but it's just barely been out 3 and a half months ...

[nsieniski]

3 weeks and a half right, my bad. But that wasn't the impostant part of my post dude

Peace

[brienj]

3 weeks and a half right, my bad. But that wasn't the impostant part of my post dude

Peace

Well, your time table on the game being out isn't near as bad as some people. Like I said, back in January, near the beginning of that month, people were saying the game had been out for 3 months, and they were nearly a full month off. Even not a full month after the game was out, people were saying it had been out 2 months. I see too many people that get the time table wrong, and they are usually the impatient ones.

[kidsampson]

Brien does a great job of making progress on his tools year after year. But it takes one guy working alone a long time to do all that needs to be done. I like seeing the progress year after year, and I expect most people to jump ship before any real significant progress or modding gets done, but that's the yearly cycle. It happened with 2010, 2011, and 2012. It's hard for people to focus and invest effort once the next big thing starts rolling out previews and promises of improvements. That's normal behavior though.

But the good thing is, once he gets this knowledge and this year's programs under his belt, then maybe they can be modified more quickly to work with next year's titles. That's one good thing about the THQ sale and keeping Yukes on-board: there's hope that brien's creative suite of tools will still be useful moving forward (once updated).

[nsieniski]

a few last words,

A new game comes out every 12 months.

You wait 8 months after its release to be able to start modding.....

If I think it's quiet a long time I don't think it can be called impatience

8 out of 12.. get it? 4 months to mod en enjoy the game until the next one pops up.

And I know, we could just not be able to mod at all, so thank you Brienj, sincerely mate.

(I hope I got my math right this time )

[brienj]

a few last words,

A new game comes out every 12 months.

You wait 8 months after its release to be able to start modding.....

If I think it's quiet a long time I don't think it can be called impatience

8 out of 12.. get it? 4 months to mod en enjoy the game until the next one pops up.

And I know, we could just not be able to mod at all, so thank you Brienj, sincerely mate.

(I hope I got my math right this time )

Well, exactly like kidsampson said, each thing I finish, is usually able to keep being used, it doesn't matter how long it takes, because it will still be used over and over again. There are some things, like the renders, and I really had a feeling they would, that they try to block as soon as I make it public. I was able to change renders on CAWs for years, but only recently put it in my CAW Editor. There are certain things that I know, that I just don't say anything or release anything, and why the things I say are cryptic, because when the THQ guys want to be little bitches and stop me, they will try, like with the renders. Although as you can see with the the renders, I can still do it, it's just more difficult. If the THQ tards didn't worry so much about what I released and trying to stop it, I would be releasing a LOT more stuff, and a lot quicker too ...

But my one question to those assholes on the THQ team is this, why the FUCK do they care so much about FUN hacks, but won't do ONE damn thing to stop the move hacks? For that, I say FUCK THEM!

[nsieniski]

But my one question to those assholes on the THQ team is this, why the FUCK do they care so much about FUN hacks, but won't do ONE damn thing to stop the move hacks? For that, I say FUCK THEM!

I agree so much mate...

What the fuck do they care if we make the game even more fun to play!!?

It could even make people buy the damn game when they realise they could make the game more the way they like.

You didn't have time to finish your job properly THQ? Well we can do that!

A lot of people give them their money, Once I buy something, it's mine so.... I can do the hell I want with it!

I am probably stupid but I bought every game since Smackdown on Ps1 (well not the first svr in fact), it should give me the right to enjoy my game my way.

You know Brienj, I've been waiting for a good wrestling game for almost 10 years, I am 43 and I'm old school. I stopped watching wrestling in 2005 I think (I don't watch a wrestling show to see 3 matches in 2 hours....).

But after 10 years, an attitude game comes out... great! I want to enjoy every minute of it.

I'm actually watching the raw is war shows and I am at summerslam97 so you can imagine the fun I have to regulary watch the shows and ppvs and play the game after that

As I said I am a 3D artist and I have the same fun maybe more, modding the game than playing it. It explains why I was disapointed earlier pal.

Take care buddy.

Edited February 16, 2013 by nsieniski

[brienj]

I agree so much mate...

What the fuck do they care if we make the game even more fun to play!!?

It could even make people buy the damn game when they realise they could make the game more the way they like.

You didn't have time to finish your job properly THQ? Well we can do that!

A lot of people give them their money, Once I buy something, it's mine so.... I can do the hell I want with it!

I am probably stupid but I bought every game since Smackdown on Ps1 (well not the first svr in fact), it should give me the right to enjoy my game my way.

You know Brienj, I've been waiting for a good wrestling game for almost 10 years, I am 43 and I'm old school. I stopped watching wrestling in 2005 I think (I don't watch a wrestling show to see 3 matches in 2 hours....).

But after 10 years, an attitude game comes out... great! I want to enjoy every minute of it.

I'm actually watching the raw is war shows and I am at summerslam97 so you can imagine the fun I have to regulary watch the shows and ppvs and play the game after that

As I said I am a 3D artist and I have the same fun maybe more, modding the game than playing it. It explains why I was disapointed earlier pal.

Take care buddy.

Yep, I know where you are coming from about waiting for years for a good wrestling game. Ever since I played Rock-n-Wrestle on the Commodore 64, I've been searching for the best wrestling game, and my only regret is not just taking the time to make one myself many years ago. About the time wrestling games started coming out heavy, in the late 90s and early 00s, I was too busy to try my hand at making my own, so I dabbled in hacking available ones, and over the years, it has grown, but there is always one thing bad about hacking them, is that you can never get it exactly how you want it. I'd like to hack KOC2, but because of the Japanese barrier, it makes it more difficult to work with. Each game has something wrong with it that makes my hacking attempts not up to the standards I want. I think I may have to just make my own game, but this far along, it's going to be too much work, too late. However, even with a few months worth of work, I know I could make a game superior to ProWrestling X, and every time I think about that game, it just pisses me off, because they have to be paid off by THQ or something, they just have to. To spend 10 years on that damn game, and that's all they have? Seriously? I think they've been paid off, so others are discouraged to try their hand at it, and damn it, each passing day makes me think about doing it, but then the reality sets in about how much money it would cost to really do it the right way that I want. I don't want some lame-ass isometric game, like those recently released Wrestling Arcade games, and everybody raves about, because they made their own game, but I want a REAL game, a 3D one, one that has great AI, one that has moves, one that plays and feels like a real match. Even though I grew up in the time where you had to imagine a dot on the screen was the hero, I can not get into those semi-3D games at all, they just don't do it for me, and to make a real 3D game with everything I want is going to cost, and cost big.

[Cdude™]

i now they didn't make any good games from years and if u ever would make the game u wnt i would like to b the 1st person to get that

[nsieniski]

Yep, I know where you are coming from about waiting for years for a good wrestling game. Ever since I played Rock-n-Wrestle on the Commodore 64, I've been searching for the best wrestling game, and my only regret is not just taking the time to make one myself many years ago. About the time wrestling games started coming out heavy, in the late 90s and early 00s, I was too busy to try my hand at making my own, so I dabbled in hacking available ones, and over the years, it has grown, but there is always one thing bad about hacking them, is that you can never get it exactly how you want it. I'd like to hack KOC2, but because of the Japanese barrier, it makes it more difficult to work with. Each game has something wrong with it that makes my hacking attempts not up to the standards I want. I think I may have to just make my own game, but this far along, it's going to be too much work, too late. However, even with a few months worth of work, I know I could make a game superior to ProWrestling X, and every time I think about that game, it just pisses me off, because they have to be paid off by THQ or something, they just have to. To spend 10 years on that damn game, and that's all they have? Seriously? I think they've been paid off, so others are discouraged to try their hand at it, and damn it, each passing day makes me think about doing it, but then the reality sets in about how much money it would cost to really do it the right way that I want. I don't want some lame-ass isometric game, like those recently released Wrestling Arcade games, and everybody raves about, because they made their own game, but I want a REAL game, a 3D one, one that has great AI, one that has moves, one that plays and feels like a real match. Even though I grew up in the time where you had to imagine a dot on the screen was the hero, I can not get into those semi-3D games at all, they just don't do it for me, and to make a real 3D game with everything I want is going to cost, and cost big.

Yep, I understand. Where I work, we are around 200-300 to make a game. Sure, a wrestling game would probably demand less people but still... back to reality unfortunately.

But I promise, as soon as I win the lottery I make my fucking wrestling game!

And by the way, The commodore 64 was my first machine and my first love, that was a great time to be around;)

[brienj]

Oh, and before the ProWrestling X kool-aid drinkers come in this thread, here is an article from 2005 -

http://www.gamespot.com/news/pro-wrestling-x-qanda-taking-the-fight-to-the-wwe-6130974

In this article, is this quote -

Since 2002, Wishnowski has been hard at work putting together a team and making his dream of a wrestling game by fans, for fans, a reality.

Yes, he has not only been working on it 10 years, it is now OVER 10 years, and that piece of crap joke of a game is all they have. They've been milking money from people and scamming for years, and release a total joke. It's funny I have been accused of being a scammer in one of the threads here, yet this Dave Wishnowski has been able to brain-wash and fool so many people for so many years. I'm telling you, he is a paid worker for the now defunct THQ, and his project was only made to discourage other people from making their own game, and to milk some money from suckers. Every time I see somebody stick up for him, I want to puke my guts out.