*Spoiler* The LOST Finale

[Smacktalks]

So what did you think of the finale?

I really liked it, even if they were all dead in the end. Sure theres a bunch of questions that never got answered, but the ones that mattered did.

I've heard there's gonna be more questions answered on the Blu-ray when it's released, along with an extra 20 minutes of additional footage to look forward to.

[Aero]

i have 2 problems with it -

1. i expected more from "not - Lock"'s death, instead of a bullet from behind, was a huge let down to me.

2. its kinda made those extra seasons with the time travel fucking stupid!

[Spectre]

I enjoyed it, great end to a great show. As soon as Jack headed towards the bamboo forest i knew the last scene would be with his eye closing. I know im ordering the complete series on blu ray. Been planning it since the first season.

[Smacktalks]

Yeah, I alaways figured the last scene would be the closing of his eye. It was a nice touch to have Vincent lay down next to him, it just seemed ironic after all the times he said "Live Together, Die Alone".

I think the whole time travel thing was more to go back and show you the history of the island, The Dharma Initiative, etc. Without all of that there'd only have been a lot more questions. As for the MIB, i'd have liked to have seen a better ending for him, rather than him just getting shot in the back, but it served it's purpose I guess.

I'll be getting the Blu-Ray's for all the extra content included, seen them on Amazon for $130ish on pre-order this morning which seemed really cheap, yet now they've gone up to $194.99. I wonder how much more the UK version will be over priced. :2

[Aero]

i'll be downloading the additional content then getting the bluray discs when it drops under 100

[Smacktalks]

I would download the Blu-Ray rips, but seeing as Lost was/is my favourite TV show I want to get the collectors edition. Also the download's will take a fuck-ton of space!

[Aero]

lol im just lookin for the bonus content for now tho dude, plus, the ps3 upscales like a pro anyways

[jitz]

I thought it was a passable finale, but I think the show deserved far better.

I just can't understand why they've wasted half a season bringing together dead characters. It serves no purpose to the story, only to bringing the cast together for what was surely the final scene shot for the series. The whole "it's the place you all created so you could see each other one more time" bullshit was so 'If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands'. Surely that time could have been used to explain pivotal characters in the show that have now come and gone with absolutely zero explanation, when really they need it.

Why was Desmond immune to electro magnetic fields? Convenient, yes. Plausible, no. Why did the woman in white know so much? Not even in life, but in death aswell. Which links to Widmore, he seemed to know an awful lot about the black smoke monster, but had no way of knowing that information. Her and him were on the island in the 70's, but that's all that's mentioned. They even know more than Richard, whose been on the island for thousands of years. Christian Shephard's body disappeared when the black smoke took his form, and so did Ecko's brother's. Locke's never disappeared. That's more of a continuity error, but what of Walt? Walt appeared possessed on the island, but he wasn't dead. Speaking of Walt, way to drop the whole plot point from season one where what he reads, he creates. Not only the polar bears were originally explained this way, but also a bird which flew into a window in a flashback. Numerous magetic fields were mentioned to exist on the island, one where the hatch was built. So did that have anything or nothing to do with the lame "heart of the island"? Random magnetic fields? Never explained. Remember the donkey wheel? Good times. It's mentioned near the end that Hurley will have to find a way to get Desmond off the island. Well Sawyer took Locke's boat to Hydra island, raft it to Hydra island, get on the boat, Ben knows the compass direction which you need to follow to get off the island, Desmond is even an accomplished sailor. It's not fucking hard. So what created the black smoke monster again? Jacob's brother went into the heart of the island, presumably died from the EMF(!?) and turned into the black smoke? Or did it possess him while he was down there? That still doesn't explain what it is. It's not protecting the island because he wants to leave, which is done by destroying the island. So why is it created at the heart of the island? Rousseau describes it as a sentry, "a security system" early on in the series. We know it's nothing like that, and probably never did anything remotely like she described. It occasionally appeared and killed people, despite being able to kill anyone at anytime. Why were babies never born on the island before Claire's?

So yeah, I think they made some bad choices going back and just outright rewriting shit after they thought they had thought of something better. The whole Hanso Foundation - Dharma Initiative thing was never really explained and had a big chance to be explained in a big finale. What were the magnetic fields how did they discover the exact compass direction you needed to follow to get off the island, and what was with the babies? After nearly destorying the island with the EMF, they built a hatch over it with the code to reset the magnetic field, then used the place as a social experiment. Would two men on rotating shifts press a button to save the world every 108 minutes? Dharma knew it was a real threat, why the fuck would they do that!? Why did they stop posting people to watch the other stations in was it the Pearl Station? Ben's camp, were they really Dharma or weren't they? Why were this group of people just hanging out on the island over protecting it from strangers to the point of such violence? Stealing kids and such for research?

I'm getting bored of listing shit just off the top of my head about stuff that was never explained, and needs to be explained for the six seasons of the show to make any sense. You seriously could have a seventh season just explaining vital things that have gone untouched since being brought up.

EDIT - With that wall of text being said, I reckon next year they won't be able to resist a mini-series dealing with more of the island's secrets. This finale focused on the characters, with things being left open for a possible return to the island. I understand they all want a break from the show after living and breathing it for so long, but I think a mini-series is inevitable in the long run.

EDIT AGAIN - Still thinking of the lacklustre ending. Christian said to Jack "some died before you, some died long after". Now that obviously refers to Hurley, who would have protected the island for presumably thousands of years like Jacob did. So it was Hurley holding this reunion off for so long. Who takes Hurley's place? How does Hurley die? Definite mini series potential. Remember when Widmore's main chick with guns proclaimed "he can't change faces again, he's stuck with this one" in regards to the black smoke. Why was that? He seemed to be able to change at leisure before. Never explained.

[Aero]

I thought it was a passable finale, but I think the show deserved far better.

i'm frightened... we agree, i'm thinking end of the world is happening! lol

[Aero]

also, lock was apparently "special" and jacobs brother was also deemed special.... that is the only link as to why he got stuck in locks body... thats pretty much it i think lol.

but aye, ALOT needs explained... this is like when they wrote a final episode to the cartoon dungeons and dragons, scripted, sketched some stills, then never fucknig made it properly when they had every opertunity to finish it off properly! its lame

[Spectre]

I guessing by "woman in white" you mean Eloise Hawking? Daniels Mother. Ben's Camp wasn't part of DHARMA, they were the others, Most of dharma was killed during the purge or switched to there allegiance to the others. It was Ben's decision to move into the barracks after he ousted widmore as leader. Im sure hurley and ben didnt live for thousand of years after everyone left the island. Jack didn't say that prayer while giving the water to hurley, the same prayer that jacob gave to jack and Mother gave to Jacob. The prayer is what made them ageless. Before you ask, Jack lost the abilities Jacob gave him as Protecter when the heart of the island was pulled out, just like the MiB lost his abilities, and was killed. The reason why Smokie wasn't able to change back to the brothers form was explained, Once Jacob was killed he was stuck As Locke.

EDITED-Thank you Aero.

[Aero]

prayer*

[Smacktalks]

The waiting for Hurley part you mentioned was explained, Christian said there was no "now" where they were. That's how you see Juliet & Sawyer completing the conversion they had when Juliet died, even tho she died much earlier than the hour or so before they all met up at the church. Hurley, Kate, etc. must have lived on for a lot longer, that's why Kate says she'd missed Jack for so long and Christian said some of them died before and others died a long time after Jack.

The whole Walt story I'd have liked to see, but they just couldn't do it because of how fast he grew. They wouldn't have been able to pull it off without using another actor.

[jitz]

guessing by "woman in white" you mean Eloise Hawking? Daniels Mother. Ben's Camp wasn't part of DHARMA, they were the others, Most of dharma was killed during the purge or switched to there allegiance to the others. It was Ben's decision to move into the barracks after he ousted widmore as leader. Im sure hurley and ben didnt live for thousand of years after everyone left the island. Jack didn't say that prayer while giving the water to hurley, the same prayer that jacob gave to jack and Mother gave to Jacob. The prayer is what made them ageless. Before you ask, Jack lost the abilities Jacob gave him as Protecter when the heart of the island was pulled out, just like the MiB lost his abilities, and was killed. The reason why Smokie wasn't able to change back to the brothers form was explained, Once Jacob was killed he was stuck As Locke.

Yeah I know Ben's camp killed the Dharma people, but then why were they doing research on babies? Why was Richard helping Ben?

I'm not going to go into whether the prayer was said or not, and the magical power gifted in that prayer. What a stupid fucking plot point that was. He drank water from the island and said now oyu are like me, it was gay. As for the agelessness coming from the prayer, I'm calling shenanigans. You can't go make shit up and claim it to be lost fact. When Jacob imparts immortality on Richard, he does it by touching him. No prayer is said. Jack is Jacob at the end. He can impart immortality on whomever he wants just by touching them. You say Jack lost the powers of the 'protector' when he shut off the island, far enough, I'll wear that. Why make him drink the water? It's stupid. As for the Locke face bit, I can vaguely remember that. Why was the death of Jacob so important to that? It's still a plot point never explained and seems to exist for convenience to the story.

A finale at the end where the black smoke monster takes the form of everyone who has died on the island, playing the with the hearts and minds of the survivors would have been far more poignant than the slapped together four minute fight between Jack and Locke Monster. What if the survivors were unaware of the deaths of Sun and Jin, and he used that against them? What if the viewers was unaware of their deaths? Far cooler possibilties. This could have lead into answering which one of them was actually the candidate.

Pauls as for what you're saying about Hurley, i don't know who that's directed to. Is it me? Because that's what I said.

[Smacktalks]

I think it was when you said "So it was Hurley holding this reunion off for so long.", because there was no "now" he didn't really hold it off.

[Spectre]

Im should have stated that it was my thoughts on the prayer not fact, sorry. To add to it maybe the prayer was what gave the protecter their abilities, such as bestowing immortality to people, and decide who can and can not be killed. The water is part of the ritual of becoming a protecter, my guess. Every ancient ritual had its ways. As for richard helping Ben, remember young ben was shot by a time traveling Sayid who wanted to change the future. Sawyer and Kate took young ben to the others camp and demanded to to talk to richard. Richard said he would heal ben(at the temple's pool) but he wouldn't remember the events, and that he would become "one of them", meaning an other. Not sure if it was Jacobs will but when richard is carrying young ben through camp, widmore ask him what he is doing, to which richard replies" it was what jacob wanted" or something to that extent. This may have been another incident of someone using Jacob's name to do something, but seeing as it was richard, it could be true. As for the babies, im cant remember completely if the story was fleshed put, id have to look into it more.

[Smacktalks]

Well they brought Juleit to the island to study the mothers and see if she could determine what was causing it, as for why the take the babies I would guess it's so that their camp doesn't die out, as they all aged and would surely die out without any new additions to the camp.

[Fozy]

i think you need to go back and watch it all over again chris, a lot of things you mentioned have been explained. Also, what walt was doing wasn't actually creating things in his head. The polar bears didn't come from his mind, lol.

Also, you're going way over with the thousands of years. It was 1860's i think that richard was taken to the island.

One more thing, like paul said, there was no hold up. There isn't a 'now' in purgatory, they're in limbo.

[supa!]

soo... did they open the hatch?

[Smacktalks]

They did and it was possibly the best opening to a season ever imo.

[jitz]

i think you need to go back and watch it all over again chris, a lot of things you mentioned have been explained. Also, what walt was doing wasn't actually creating things in his head. The polar bears didn't come from his mind, lol.

Also, you're going way over with the thousands of years. It was 1860's i think that richard was taken to the island.

One more thing, like paul said, there was no hold up. There isn't a 'now' in purgatory, they're in limbo.

I know the polar bears didn't come from his mind, the writers changed their minds and made that Dharma was doing experiments on them. Once again though, vague experiments never really explained. I was just saying that in season 1, the writers dedicated an episode to Walt creating shit with his mind.

I like goin going overboard, ok, over a thousand years. It's still a long time.

This whole bullshit of "there is no now, it's purgatory" is pointless. There is a now, it's when they're all dead. To be in purgatory, they have to be dead. Assuming Hurley is the last one to die, that reunion in purgatory takes place after his death. Time is irrelevant in death for sure, but they still have to all be dead. Still, I was just making a side reference to that reunion waiting on Hurley's death, I wasn't really making a point of it as it's neither here nor there.

To add to it maybe the prayer was what gave the protecter their abilities, such as bestowing immortality to people, and decide who can and can not be killed.

Jack received the prayer from Jacob, so by your own reasoning Jack can give people immortality just like Jacob did. Still on that line of thought, if Hurley doedn't have true protector power, that means that power died with Jack because he didn't speak your ritual. Therefore there is no true "protector" forever after. I really don't think that's where they were going with it, the saying of the prayer is probably on the cutting room floor due to time constraints.

[Aero]

it ever occour to anyone that hurley had eternal life until he passed it on?

[Smacktalks]

Yeah, that's why some died LOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG after Jack.

Also the "appendix scar" you hear Jack calling his mother about when he says he couldn't remember having his appendix taken out looks to be the place Locke/MIB stabbed him in the finale.

[jitz]

Uhh Aero, from my original post...

Now that obviously refers to Hurley, who would have protected the island for presumably thousands of years like Jacob did.

That's what this whole discussion is about, whether Hurley had eternal life because of a prayer or not.

[Aero]

yes, but the conversation was getting blurred, shyed away from that and all of a sudden jack had no powers to pass on, more of a reitteration (spelling) mixed with me being a tad (more than a tad) drunk when i posted that, rendering a few of my basic motor skills a bit retarded, resulting in me not going for the obvious "hello, we've missed a key point that was mentioned before"

...hell, fuck it, mayb i was blitsed enough to think i was being original, hell i was in bad shape last night...

i didnt like the finale, i watched it agan, its uber shit!