What is your religion?

[The Guest]

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[jitz]

I never incited hatred, nor was their malicious intent. Also half of what you posted relates to defamation, completely irrelevant to this.

I think your religion and most religions and the people associated with them are fucked. Dedicating your life to a mythical being is ok in religion, but outside of it, it's seen as insanity. Are religious people so frail minded that they need to comfort of an al mighty presence to cope with everyday life? Seems pathetic and weak to me.

Now please, come over here, become an Australian citizen and take me to court over it. No Australian court would find me guilty, it would set a dangerous precedent.

I also like your complete 180 on Australia free speech. It's gone from

actually, you dont.

freedom of speech isnt protected by the australian constitution. freedom of religion is. you lose.

To quoting Australian Government websites regarding our freedom of speech. Nice work! Not only were you wrong on that, you're commenting on laws in a country, that you know nothing about. It's like me going around pulling quotes off American websites pretending I'm an expert on American law. I have no fucking clue about your laws, I just know that I can say that your religion is fucked and I think it's a load of shit, in my country.

Back down Sal, you're wrong yet again.

[crunk]

Sorry to interrupt, but I have to add my 2 cents here.

Ugh I did some sociology courses back in uni and all this was discussed.

Basically the gist of what was taught was that essentially, its a way to

a) keep people in line and

b) give people answers to questions that have no answers.

Believe in it, don't believe in it. It's whatever you need to get you by.

Edited April 9, 2009 by crunk

[The Guest]

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Next point wins!

[Nemo]

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Me I'm the bad kind of atheist, the kind that tries to tell religist types that they're insane, and wasting their lives following control methods thought up thousands of years ago. Really in today's modern society, if you're religious (especially one that believes in a god), you're a fucking idiot.

I never incited hatred, nor was their malicious intent. Also half of what you posted relates to defamation, completely irrelevant to this.

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going around telling people that their beliefs are an insane waste of time and they're fucking idiots isn't malicious? what?

i didn't do a 180 on my freedom of speech comment. i stand by it that australian citizens cant go around saying whatever the fuck they want. because theres a clause making it ok to protest government doesnt give you free speech - it just gives you the right to complain about your government - it's not the same.

speaking of free speech, thanks for having the word "morphine" taken out of fallout 3, jerks. go take some med-x, it'll help you forget about how hard you're being fucked by the censors.

back on topic (you know, religion, as suggested by the title of the thread), when you say "your religion" what religion are you talking about? im pretty sure i made it clear that i dont have any religious affiliations. unlike you, im able to accept that our "modern" sense of decency stems from religion. have you disagreed with me yet? have you proven me wrong?

you think religious people are stupid. fine. explain to me where you get your sense of right and wrong from? where do your laws come from? it's religion dude.

and since when do people need religion to cope with everyday life? sure, the afterlife does help people deal with death and the loss of loved ones (theres no fun being a rotting corpse buried 6 feet below... or sitting on a shelf in a cookie jar) - but do people actually rely on jesus to get out of bed and go to work every day? doubtful. unless you're a priest, that is. then it's kind of your job to do so.

the main purpose of religion (as it's been said, though in different tones) is to keep people in line. it doesnt make sense these days because for the most part, people are decent and the idea of what makes a decent person has become a social norm thanks to our parents and laws. back before we had common decency though, religion was essential. prove me wrong.

now then, i leave you with one of my favorite quotes:

"the reason that the old testament god is a prick is because the old testament is designed as a book to get the jews to straighten up and fuckin fly right cause they were out of control. they were ten hairs away from being babboons...

...figure it out, ok. you watch jerry springer. thats what we're like now! imagine what they were like then! they needed rules. they needed to know that marriage takes place between a man and woman because they were wandering into camp with a camels going 'I'M IN LOVE!' i dont give a shit what you are, you cant marry a snapping turtle, asshole!" - lewis black

[Aero]

i stopped reading all of these ages ago as it interests me not.... you guys should move this to PMs

[System of a Daan]

I actually thought it was quite the read...

[Aero]

too indepth and about countries that dont affect me..

[The Guest]

These arguments built Smacktalks.

Carry on.

Rebuttal from Chris or Sal wins.

[Niles Jansen The Third]

I just saw the passions.

I'm just going to throw out there that there are STILL a shit load of people who think ALL of that really happened. They honestly look at that movie like it was historical evidence. But if you ever try to challenge a really religious person, they go fucking nuts.

So good luck to anyone who ever tries converting catholics. They think anyone with questions are apparently sinners.

[jitz]

Firstly

speaking of free speech, thanks for having the word "morphine" taken out of fallout 3, jerks. go take some med-x, it'll help you forget about how hard you're being fucked by the censors.

Bethesda said many countries were uneasy about the drug references, even internally in the company, so they were changed. Yes Australia was one of the countries that opposed the references, and the game would have been banned if they weren't removed. It's specifically stated in our censorship laws that rewarding illegal activities warrants a ban. You got a stat boost from using drugs, it was seen as a reward for abusing drugs. Hell, even Mark Ecko's Contents Under Pressure was banned because it rewarded graffitiing. Violence is a strange one though, as many games give you points for kills, but no game has ever been banned for rewarding violence, only for being to gruesome to fall under an MA15+ standard (we don't have R for video games).

As for the games that are banned, they're mostly shit anyways. Silent Hill Homecoming (which is released with some edits soon), Dark Sector, GTAIV whores (I have the UK version and can honestly say I've never picked one up anyway)....and that's really all that has been banned recently. Apparently Prototype has some edits in it for not only Australia but some other countries too, Germany comes to mind.

Moving on, Sal by your way of thinking any American movie or TV show with anti-religious statements (that are protected under your freedom of speech laws, which Australia's are inferior to...yeah right) would have to be edited to remove them. It's never happened. Shows like Family Guy and South Park openly make fun of religions, and they show unedited in Australia. They are banned in other countries due to their cultural and religious statements though.

Will you argue that satire is exempt from this because there's no malicious intent or incites hatred? They openly make fun of religions, and many church groups from countries like America have tried to get the show banned due to offensive anti-religion statements. The same statements that were shown in America due to freedom of speech, and the same statements that aired in Australia due to freedom of speech.

Your interpretation of Australian law sucks Sal. If you want to keep going with this (and still inevitably lose still), I will just find more and more shit that includes offensive religious statements that have aired on Australian TV that you're claiming is apparently illegal in Australia to do so. I will find anti-religious documentarys. I will find every "religion is shit" quote from every movie ever made that has aired on Australian TV.

I can't say "Christianity is shit because it's just a club where they all get together, take their pants off and have a big full blown orgy, and they don't leave out the kids either". That's based on rumour, it's defamation and the church can take me to court for damages to their reputation. I can say "Every religion that believes in higher beings is fucked, imaginary creatures don't exist. I think that makes them insane". It's based on facts. Religious people can take offense, but there's no intent of harm or malice. I'm not threatenting them in anyway. I can't say "All religious people are fucked, I want to murder them all", but neither can you.

the main purpose of religion (as it's been said, though in different tones) is to keep people in line. it doesnt make sense these days because for the most part, people are decent and the idea of what makes a decent person has become a social norm thanks to our parents and laws. back before we had common decency though, religion was essential. prove me wrong.

....Sal, that was my arguement the whole time.

wasting their lives following control methods thought up thousands of years ago. Really in today's modern society, if you're religious (especially one that believes in a god), you're a fucking idiot.

In today's modern society, there's no need for religion, I can't understand why people follow a religion. They served a purpose centuries ago when civilisation wasn't as civilised, but they're not needed anymore. So I stand by my original comment.

Really in today's modern society, if you're religious (especially one that believes in a god), you're a fucking idiot.

[The Guest]

So good luck to anyone who ever tries converting catholics. They think anyone with questions are apparently sinners.

You are a cock.

[Niles Jansen The Third]

LOL cok

I don't even know you or care who you are. Get off my ass, and get out of your own.

[The Guest]

Stop spouting drivel, and I will.

[phil]

There wasn't any need to fire off like that, Guest. When you look at the history of Catholicism, CJ's jab does indeed have merit (the Spanish Inquisition and Galileo being sentenced to house arrest just for two perfect examples). While I'm glad my faith has atleast made some headway by fully accepting and teaching evolution (even in their schools), there's still the issue of them giving the OK on homosexuals the right to marriage as well as abortion rights to women.

Edited April 10, 2009 by phil

[The Guest]

There wasn't any need to fire off like that, Guest.

Hypocrite of the year 2009.

I have as much back up in calling CJ a cock as he has in saying "They think anyone with questions are apparently sinners."

I'm was born a Catholic, you are a Catholic, so is that true? I've questioned Priests many times, and they are always happy to give an answer (however wrong and right they may be).

When you look at the history of Catholicism, CJ's jab does indeed have merit (the Spanish Inquisition and Galileo being sentenced to house arrest just for two perfect examples).

500 years ago? Muslims are still far more radical than Catholics will ever be, but hey, let's not insult them THEY'LL BLOW US UP.

While I'm glad my faith has atleast made some headway by fully accepting and teaching evolution (even in their schools), there's still the issue of them giving the OK on homosexuals the right to marriage as well as abortion rights to women.

I think that women should be given the rights to an abortion, I also don't see much of a problem with homosexuality, but the church has had these values for nearly 2000 years. Why all of a sudden should that change?

Don't even try and talk about how the church should keep up with the times. It shouldn't, otherwise it wouldn't be the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has evolved further than most other religions (Islam, Judaism etc.). Nowadays, it accepts, tolerates, and welcomes other religions and beliefs into discussion.

Wanting the Church to accept homosexuality and abortions isn't the church evolving, it's changing it's doctrine of religion. If it was to do that, it wouldn't be the Catholic Church.

[Niles Jansen The Third]

There wasn't any need to fire off like that, Guest.

Hypocrite of the year 2009.

I have as much back up in calling CJ a cock as he has in saying "They think anyone with questions are apparently sinners."

I'm was born a Catholic, you are a Catholic, so is that true? I've questioned Priests many times, and they are always happy to give an answer (however wrong and right they may be).

When you look at the history of Catholicism, CJ's jab does indeed have merit (the Spanish Inquisition and Galileo being sentenced to house arrest just for two perfect examples).

500 years ago? Muslims are still far more radical than Catholics will ever be, but hey, let's not insult them THEY'LL BLOW US UP.

To be more specific, catholics that I know seem to get angry at people who question their religion. Almost like it's an insult.

And I don't see anyone being afraid to insult Muslims, especially compared to Christians. It's just easier to profile Christians when most of us are raised catholic.

I personally don't really know all that much about the Muslim religion, so would just look ignorant trying to talk about them.

[RingMaster2001]

Guys, it's turning into the Crusades in here!

I've not seen a good old Sal v Jitz argument in years. Do carry on.

Edited April 10, 2009 by RingMaster2001

[phil]

500 years ago? Muslims are still far more radical than Catholics will ever be, but hey, let's not insult them THEY'LL BLOW US UP.

Blow us up? Really? Are you really that idiotic and stereotypical to assume that every single Muslim would actually go that far?

[The Guest]

Hahaha you fool. Get the irony.

It's as sweeping as saying all Catholics "think anyone with questions are apparently sinners."

Something you apparently agree with.

[phil]

Har har, cuntstain.

[The Guest]

I see. You lose, you swear. It's all becoming clear now.

[phil]

Yes, clear that you are indeed a cuntstain. While you do have the right, there wasn't any need for you to blast CJ over his comment when his comment does have some merit. You could've been the bigger man, but I guess that petty insult was just too good an opportunity to lash out instead of sensibly disagree.

Edited April 10, 2009 by phil

[Subrick]

phil - Stop with the ad hominem. To argue against you, I will use a video by Terroja Kincaid.

So yeah. Watched all that? Probably not.

Guest - Catholics that I have argued with have gone batshit when I've questioned the validity of God and all the stuff in the Bible. Christians in general will get pissed when you do that. There are many points against it: The historical and scientific inaccuracy of the Bible, the evidence in favor of evolution, the contradictions in the Bible, the omnipotence-omniscience paradox (presupposing the existence of God, before knowledge existed, there was no knowledge at all, which means that God was unable to possess knowledge prior to its creation), etc.

[phil]

Subrick, of all the YT athiests you picked, you chose TAA? Thunderf00t > That neckbearded twat.