Resident Evil Degeneration

[Smacktalks]

Anyone seen this yet?

I'm just downloading it now, it's a new Res Evil film, but done in CGI featuring Leon and Claire from Res Evil 2.

Here's the trailer.

[Nemo]

seen it a few weeks ago, very disappointing. id like for them to actually try to make a movie thats canon with the games. hell, all they need is to make a version of re2 that plays itself and i'd be happy.

[CanaMatt]

I'll record a playthrough for you sal

[Fozy]

i've never played a resident evil game.

[Smacktalks]

I thought it was ok, but it wasn't anything special. I didn't really see the point in them having zombies originate in the airport and a plane full of them also crashing. I thought they'd of just gone with the plane option.

[System of a Daan]

i've never played a resident evil game.

You should play RE4 on the GC/PS2 that one still has the ability to make you cum.. Stupid spoiled next-gen is killing all the oldskool stuff =(

But that's prolly because I suck and dont have a next-gen

bitches.

[jitz]

RE4 on Wii is twice as good as the GC and PS2 versions. It takes the higher quality GC textures and better frame rate and combines it with the PS2's true widescreen and bonus content. Add in slick Wii controls that actually work and improve the game, and it's well in the Wii's Top 5 titles and it's available dirt cheap now too.

You only need a Wii, which is like buying a dust collector and putting it in your lounge room.

[System of a Daan]

I didn't know it was also released on the Wii.. And if I save up/invest in a next-gen I dont think I'll buy a Wii. but an Xbox 360.

[Fozy]

okay i've went and played every resident evil game now. awesome.

[jitz]

Sal I don't understand what you've said here...the movie fits perfectly well within canon - as it was designed to. It's a direct sequel to Resident Evil 2, and is set after the events of Resident Evil 4. Nowhere in the entire movie does it not follow the continuity of the games.

It wasn't all that bad, it wasn't great either. It really just delivered what it intended to, a CGI Resident Evil. The story was no worse then a Resident Evil game, the voice acting was no worse, the action was no worse. I really don't understand what people were expecting. You could actually picture this plot taking place in a proper numbered Resident Evil game even.

As it is, it's a straight to DVD CGI film based on the Resident Evil games and it appears people were expecting Schindler's List.

It also ends nicely with Tricell taking over WilPharma; Tricell playing a major part in Resident Evil 5. I don't know how much more canon they could have been Sal....

[Nemo]

ugh, im still having trouble accepting re4 as canon to the series. how the fuck did leon go from an anti-umbrella force to super secret government agent? eesh.

anyway, the only thing that makes the movie canon is that it takes place at the right time and mentions events that have taken place in the other games. frederick was a researcher for umbrella who just happened to get his hands on their 2 major viruses. then he changed his name, god forbid someone decided to actually see if theres any mention of him. im all for suspended disbelief, but thats a seriously fucking weak tie-in.

first gripe: frederick couldnt have had samples of both viruses.

the only trace of the t-virus to leave the mansion is in wesker's bloodstream. the lab self-destructed, along with every trace of the virus. theres no way this guy somehow magically escaped. and if he did, how did he end up in another umbrella facility? if he was significant enough, he would've been mentioned, even under his other name. there were no other survivors. and hell, if he made it back to the next facility, how the hell is this guy surviving these plagues? how did he even get close to the g-virus with birkin having pretty much every sample but one?

second gripe: why would umbrella sell the g-virus to a former employee who changed his name to run a rival company?

hunk was the only one who made it out with the g-virus. the other 2 mercs were killed. why sell it at all? they went through all that trouble to get it out of the facility, why move it to a guy running a rival company?

third gripe: petty, but no wesker. no ada. no mention of either. youd think after the deal with the plagas and how ada escaped with them, they'd at least be mentioned.

i think i had another, but i dont remember. the movie wasnt expected to be phenomenal or anything, but the entire premise is "this guy could've been there and you cant say otherwise." shit, it's like proving god exists. yeah, i cant prove he doesn't, so he must. right? no. fuck this shit.

oh and i had no idea about the tricell thing. i havent been following the re5 story. nice of them to give the story a little push though. probably the only thing the movie accomplished. kinda.

[jitz]

...Sal, you referenced Code Veronica by saying the only sample of the T-Virus to leave the Racoon City lab was in Wesker's bloodstream, but then you fail to realise the the entire Rockfort Island in the game was overrun by the T Virus. Alexia was using to create her own variation of the virus, the T-Veronica. So it was established back then that other Umbrella labs had samples of the virus. They were pretty coy in Degeneration simply saying he was in Racoon City, and that's where he got the T-Virus sample, and then he fled before the city blew up. I think it's more of a way of respecting canon by not going into anymore detail, I think they realised they were on thin ice with the backstory as it was.

He bought the G-Virus on the "black market". How did the G-Virus get on the "black market". Well it was established in RE2 that the rats carried the infection throughout the city, so there's a hundred million fucking samples all over the city. I'm sure anybody could have escaped with a sample and sold it.

As for wanting a who's who of RE characters in the movie, I think you just want a fan boy movie. The less Wesker is used the better. He's a great character, but he can't be everywhere. He's meant to be working in secret, you're not meant to see him. He's only been in....two (?) Resident Evil games, so it's nice to see Capcom respecting him as the final end boss when all is said an done. I'm not a big fan of the Ada Wong character, she's just the Wesker when Wesker isn't around. From the looks of it, Wesker is with Tricell, and he's now got samples of the T-Virus, the T-Veronica Virus, the G-Virus and Las Plagas. He got his hands on the G-Virus by buying WilPharma and recovering the body part of Curtis, he didn't need Ada.

Resident Evil 4 is really an odd one out right now, I understand that. It's clear though their intentions in 4 are to eventually tie it all together with Wesker. Ada makes that very clear. Resident Evil 4 is like the first act in the classic three act story. In the trailers for RE5, it shows Chris Redfield saying what he's encountering is similar to what's in the "Kennedy Report". It also shows plenty of Albert Wesker behind it all. So they've already tied RE4 into the canon, rest easy. RE4 was there to put Las Plagas in Wesker's hands through Ada.

[Nemo]

i was thinking about code veronica, but it doesnt make sense. the t-veronica virus is as you said, a variation of the t-virus, but it isn't the same from the 1st (2nd) mansion. for a moment, let's pretend it was though. the guy said he stole the sample and left raccoon city before it destroyed.

the samples for the t-virus were in antarctica. not raccoon city. frederick never mentioned being in the arctic. he stole the sample in raccoon city. the sample that doesnt exist.

as for rats carrying the virus, how would anyone know that? if the city was rampant with g-virus samples, why send guys after birkin? they couldve just hit the streets and picked up a few rats. mission accomplished? no. fuck that.

also, im not saying wesker has to have physical presence in every movie or even be a main character. i was hoping for a small mention though - just to add credibility to fredericks story. something like "i was working for wesker" or anything along those lines. the guy is underground, but frederick was apparently part of that team as well. mentioning wesker wouldve done a lot more than him just saying he was there under a different name.

as far as the re4/re5 tie-ins go. good. i didnt really care for the sudden tweaking of the story, but im glad it's evolving as the games are. makes for more games in the future : D

also, good call on wesker having samples of every virus so far. thats fucking crazy. i will cum and cry when the final game is released where all the viruses and shit come together and make some nasty plaga zombies.

[jitz]

They hinted that the Las Plagas' intention was to infect a higher being. In a memo, I think it was Luis who wa writing about other parasites that infect a host and control it, putting it in harm's way so it's eaten by a higher creature on the food chain, so it can control that host. So in the Resident Evil storyline, you can take that to mean Las Plagas wants to get to someone infected with the T, T-Veronica, or G-Virus.

Resident Evil 6 may just be fast and intelligent undead.

Oh and as for the Frederick thing, no it doesn't make a great deal of sense. Just accept it for now, something more may be done with his character in the future to fill in the gaps. The Chief Producer on RE5 has said that once 5 is finished, he'd like to remake RE2 similar to Resident Evil on GameCube. So I would expect that stuff to be written in then.

EDIT - And Frederick may not have worked with Wesker, maybe he worked at the training and research facility featured in Resident Evil 0...

[Nemo]

after reading luis' memo, im taking it at face value. i think he just means that the plagas are both causing the violent behavior in the townsfolk and giving saddler absolute control over them. while i dont disagree with your interpretation, it's a bit of a stretch since humans are pretty much at the top of the food chain. plus the fact that the err... boss monsters for the other 3 viruses werent really feeding on people... just ruining their shit.

as for the fast and intelligent undead, how much smarter can you get than the ganados? those fuckers worked in teams and used fucking guns, ladders and bear traps. cant get much smarter than that.

also, REmake 2 would/will be fucking dynamite. i anticipate another 20 second battle with a giant alligator... in HD!

[jitz]

The Ganados are only as intelligent as the Las Plagas, as that's what's controlling them. So that intelligence would be the same in a zombie if the Las Plagas were to use a zombie as a host. Then the zombies would work in teams and such. Given zombies spread infection, Las Plagas don't, the oraganisms presumably have to breed (?) - this could be a way for the Las Plagas trying to take over the world. In which case, infected zombies would be a higher being then us as it's a tool to conquer the world...

[Nemo]

fair enough. interesting note though, wesker doesnt have a sample of the plagas. ada brought him a fake and gave the real sample to "the agency."

think it's wilpharma/tricell?

[jitz]

That's possible, I'm currently half way through another play-through (about the eighth) of RE4, I can't really remember the very end at all though. All I remembered was her getting it in the end, and my mind assuming it went to Wesker. Good call.

This whole "who the fuck is who working for" thing has been going on in Resident Evil since Code Veronica.

Wesker refuses to say who his bosses are.

Ada double crosses everybody.

Leon flip flops depending on whether Capcom has worked out what to do with him yet or not (as you pointed out Sal), thankfully they settled it RE4 though.

Claire is with Terrasave presumably saving terror from itself.

Chris is with Bio-terrorism Security Assessment Alliance apparently, sounds like Terrasave but with more guns.

Jill is among the dead according to a trailer. We can only hope for a Chris Refield v infected Jill Valentine boss fight. That's unless it's all a plan by Shady Plans Anonymous, and she's really a member of the Women Against Flesh Eating Zombies and there's some serious covert ops shit going on.

You've got Umbrella, WilPharma and Tricell. Two of which where brand new words to me two days.

That'a not to mention characters that have gone completely MIA.

Barry? Rebecca? Billy? Surely Sherry is old enough to handle a gun now.

Can you half tell Capcom have written it as they've gone along...

[Nemo]

what she does after the saddler fight is revealed in the assignment ada minigame.

and yeah, a fuckton of bits and pieces of the plot have gone unaccounted for. i think capcom does it on purpose so they can keep rotating the roster with every new game. as for jill, i didnt know she was dead. she hasnt been mentioned since what? nemesis?

speaking of the trailer, it looks like those roids didnt do chris any favors as wesker still beats the crap out of him... again.

[jitz]

It really doesn't look anything like Chris Redfield.

[Nemo]

well hes got the patch on his left sleeve... and knee pads!

what more do ya want?